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Lanarkshire / Re: Mary Lawson (b.1806) Avondale
« on: Friday 08 October 10 22:28 BST (UK)  »
How interesting, Robin.  I wondered what our chances of finding someone from William's marriage to Elizabeth Turnbull was.  I know only that her father was James Turnbull, a stocking weaver in Edinburgh.  That William was previously married was found in a Spott book in Edinburgh by a genealogist.  I have no idea when he married Ms Turnbull or when they divorced.  Together, I believe they had the two children Elizabeth and William a son.  They sued William Hay  to claim paternity and the estate but did not win the case.  William married Elizabeth Sinclair, half his age, about the time he inherited Spott.   The Hays and the Sinclairs were very close families.  The earlier family was grown at the time.  I believe Elizabeth  Turnbull had remarried and died and that the husband had been present at the trial. It was suggested one had to be a certain age to pursue such a suit.  Do you know anything about the brother, William Hay?  Sorry I can't help you with the Watts.

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Lanarkshire / Re: Mary Lawson (b.1806) Avondale
« on: Tuesday 14 September 10 13:19 BST (UK)  »
I do have a picture of Bill Carrouthers, Margaret and I believe three children from 1967.  It is presently in a trunk in a Manila envelope marked 'Kirkland'.  Saved are two handwritten letters from Isabella Carrouthers.  All I remember about Bill is that he traveled a great deal regarding the agricultural industry.   I believe he was dairy.  I had assumed Isabella was the daughter of Elizabeth Kirkland Kelley but do not really know.

                  Shirley

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Lanarkshire / Re: Mary Lawson (b.1806) Avondale
« on: Sunday 05 September 10 13:01 BST (UK)  »
That information is hard to access.  The Scottish woman who helped me found it in a Spott book in Edinburgh.  William's two children from his 'marriage' to Elizabeth Turnbull sued for legitimacy  in 1774.   They may have had to be 21 before they could bring action.   The daughter was married at the time.  One record reads that Elizabeth Turnbull died in childbirth in 1758.  Her father's name was James Turnbull.  That would have been about the time William inherited Spott.  However, my understanding was that she had remarried at the time and that the husband was in attendance.

According to LWR, Elizabeth Sinclaire Hay died at the 'Lodge' which is the house at the very entrance of the estate of Spott. 

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Lanarkshire / Re: Mary Lawson (b.1806) Avondale
« on: Wednesday 01 September 10 22:19 BST (UK)  »
Yes, Mary Kirkland was my grandmother.  She died in 1912 in the typhoid  epidemic in Denver.  Isabella was the last person who knew Mary.  Isabella died two months before I got my mother there.  The Hay history is fascinating for those of us who did not know it all along.  LW is a treasure trove of information.  I did not see William this time.  I was there in 1967 or so.  I met LW who is very knowledgeable and nice.  Lady Mary actually lived at Spott which is on the market for a great sum.  It even has a dungeon!  The coach yard is beautiful with smooth river rock most likely from the ravine paved into square meter patterns.  White flowers were in bloom as if water was flowing down the ravine.  I did get to see Yester house which is on the market also.  It needs a great deal of work.  Google the Hay chapel of Bothans which is where our ancestors are buried.  If you have time, take a trip to Gifford.  I stayed at Tweeddale Arms.    That area is rich with Hay history.  They were very helpful to me.  I shall be engraving and sending my great aunt's silver tea set to them in Mary's memory.  She and William were married at Canongate Kirk.  I can tell you that William and Hugh Kirkland went to Australia and all their sons died in WW!.  Julia descendants are still there.  How are you related to William of Netherton?  Someone related to Archibald contacted me recently also.
The grave stone in Douglas is very far to the end of the grave yard near the wall.  Worn but beautiful for those of us who remember her. 
Sincerely, Shirley

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Lanarkshire / Re: Mary Lawson (b.1806) Avondale
« on: Wednesday 01 September 10 01:57 BST (UK)  »
Anne, you now have one more cousin!  My grandmother was the youngest of William Kirkland and Isobel McColl's children.  She was named after our lady Mary Hay.  Her name was Mary Hay Kirkland.  One of her sisters left some money to my mother and it was Isabella Carruthers who went to great effort to find my mother in America to see that she received the money.  I have some letters written by Isabella.  My mother and I met Bill and Margaret Carrouthers in 1966 or 67 at Netherton Farm.
I have seen Avon Bank farm where Angus and his wife lived.  My grandmother lived there also while taking care of the children of Angus when his wife died.  I assumed he remarried.  My home is near DC.  and I just returned from a month in Scotland.  You have several cousins in Australia as well.
Shirley

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Lanarkshire / Re: Mary Lawson (b.1806) Avondale
« on: Wednesday 01 September 10 01:55 BST (UK)  »
Anne, you now have one more cousin!  My grandmother was the youngest of William Kirkland and Isobel McColl's children.  She was named after our lady Mary Hay.  Her name was Mary Hay Kirkland.  One of her sister's left some money to my mother and it was Isabella Carruthers who went to great effort to find my mother in America to see that she received the money.  I have some letters written by Isabella.  My mother and I met Bill and Margaret Carrouthers in 1966 or 67 at Netherton Farm.
I have seen Avon Bank farm where Angus and his wife lived.  My grandmother lived there also while taking care of the children of Angus when his wife died.  I assumed he remarried.  My home is near DC.  and I just returned from a month in Scotland.  You have several cousins in Australia as well.
Shirley

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Lanarkshire / Re: Searching for Barbara Scott and Janet Scott
« on: Tuesday 06 October 09 16:02 BST (UK)  »
Jean, my last message was not accepted because it was too long.  For some reason the e-mail address was you gave me did not go through.  Mine is
(*).  which may no go through Roots chat.  Will keep trying as I know you will appreciate what I know going back 6 generations.  Will consolidate.

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Lanarkshire / Re: Searching for Barbara Scott and Janet Scott
« on: Monday 05 October 09 13:49 BST (UK)  »
Yes, we do have a connection.  David and Emily signed my grandparent's wedding record.  When I was seven, I believe it might have been they whom we visited.  I remember some beautifully colored abalone shells in their yard of which they gave us one.  I loved  the colors.  I remember being given some beautiful, ripe strawberries which we forgot to take with us back to San Francisco.  "Another brother, Robert lived in San Francisco.  I visited the old mill in Strathaven where their father David and Barbara lived.  It was possibly James who lived on School St. in Chicago.    Barbara and Janet remained in Scotland.   All of the others came to America.  I found their grave stone in Strathaven and learned they had a son named Robert who died in Stonehouse at age 27.  I was really surprised to learn how many babies they lost...about five while they lived at Gill Mill in Lesmahagow.  Barbara had grown up on a dairy farm on the island of Islay which I have now located.  Did I love the Islay lights!  I wore Barbara's wedding band for years until I had it framed with her picture. 

Ticadeau is actually my cat and the name means little gift in Haitian creole.   My name is actually Shirley.  I live north of DC.  and my son who is 31 in NY.  My grandfather William Scott was the last son to go to America.  Will be happy to learn more from you.

             Shirley

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Lanarkshire / Re: Mary Lawson (b.1806) Avondale
« on: Friday 18 September 09 01:40 BST (UK)  »
Will, there is a likelyhood.  Our James Turnbull was a stocking weaver in Edinburgh.  His daughter Elizabeth was the first wife of William Hay of Spott and Lawfield.  James would probably have been of the 1700's.  Children often stayed in the same or a similar profession.  He most likely had children other than his daughter Elizabeth.   You might descend from him.  This disowning tradition often took place in those days.  A tailor, Peter Sellers, was at the marriage of our Mary Hay.   I live in America and relied on Fiona Sinclare of Aberdeen who makes routine trips to Ediburgh to do research.  She has access that not everyone has and incredible knowledge of Scotland's history.  You might send her a note at (*).  If this address does not make it through Roots Chat, just Google Fiona Sinclare as she has many sights on the internet.  Roots Chat itself may offer some  research for you. 

                Sincerely,  Shirley

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