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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Chasing Laughland, Lachlan, Lanchline, Laughlan
« on: Sunday 27 May 18 23:11 BST (UK)  »
I lost a whole post  >:(
Samuel is my half grand uncle according to the relationship calculator.
I bought the 1861 census - but it had appeared almost the same as the notes I had previously provided only this time it was shown as Samuel (not Sarah).
William (his father) being 33 - he is a ? labourer b in Ireland, Jane 26 b Renfrewshire, Paisley, Samuel 10, Scholar of Lanarkshire, Glasgow, William Jnr 2, son of Ayreshire, Auchinleck and then George ? mths, of Paisley, Renfrewshire.    Just in case you were wondering, my grandfather was definitely was born in Auchinleck (Cronberry in fact) as his father was working in the mines at the time.  I cannot read what sort of labourer he was (it says something labour).  I am  having trouble saving this census - for some reason it won't open.   Will have to contact Scotlands People.

So it's back to the drawing board to find out if it was Elizabeth Kerr who married William Laughland.

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Chasing Laughland, Lachlan, Lanchline, Laughlan
« on: Sunday 27 May 18 07:36 BST (UK)  »
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What I posted was a link to show what church records are available as far as baptisms, marriages, etc. Civil registration of births started in 1864. The microfilm is at PRONI but not online.

shows a Sarah Langhland as 10 (and the person thinks its a bad transcription, that it should be Samuel who would be 10 in 1861.    The next person is my grandfather (W J Langhland)   I have today written to Ancestry to see if it can be proven or fixed.
The census image should be in Scotland's People database which would show what is actually written rather than Ancestry's transcription.

It should, but I can't find it.   I have written to them to ask if they can find it, as all the details are on it. 
Moderator comment:edited for content. Please do not copy and paste information from commercial sites, you must transcribe what you see in the images
Not sure what I posted that was deleted, but as I said earlier, these are from my notes
Name: Sarah Langhland
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Jane
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 573/3
Registration district: Paisley Middle Church
Civil parish: Paisley Middle Church
Town: Paisley
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 8 Moncrieff St
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 12
Household schedule number: 35
Line: 12
Roll: CSSCT1861_80
Household Members: Name Age
William Langhland 33 born Ireland
Jane Langhland 26 born Paisley
Sarah Langhland 10

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Just found some more notes of the 1861 census, but I dont have a copy of it, and I cant find it on Scotlands People
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1861 Census of Scotland
Moncrieff St
William Laughland H Married 33 Miners Labourer
Jane Laughland W  Married 26
Samuel son 10 scholar
William John Son 2
George Laughland Son 6 months

Here, William is 33 and a miners labourer.

So it is William and Jane Grieve Loughlin who are your direct ancestors and their eldest child William John?   Then back to Ireland and  William's father William and his wife Jane Stewart.  Samuel, the son of William and his first wife Elizabeth who died in 1854, would be the half brother of William John.  And a step  gt uncle? Is that your reading of it? [/size]
  Correct, Not sure who is the step gt uncle of who though.

That's up to date I think, will check and see if there are any more questions to be answered.

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Chasing Laughland, Lachlan, Lanchline, Laughlan
« on: Saturday 26 May 18 05:26 BST (UK)  »
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I am not sure if the Bell option is a goer, yet. The reason for this is that while you have put William's status in the 1851 census you have not put Elisabeth's or John Bell's.  So what did she say her relationship was to either the Bell family or even to William himself.  In the 1851 census there is a 10 year old Elisabeth.  I think to explore the Bell connection then concentrate on tracking back or forward the Bell family  appearing in the 1851 census where you find William, Samuel and Elisabeth.  It may be that they were known to either of the Ireland based families, they may have gone over before.  I would also see if I could see a connection between the 10 year old Elizabeth Bell and the 24 year old Elisabeth Laughlin.....god parent, sponsor etc?
I showed you earlier that Elisabeth was 24 and shown as the daughter of William Bell in 1861 Census

OK I give up - we will go for Kerr then.

In 1851
Name:   Elizabeth Bell
Age:   24
Relationship:   Daughter

Father:   William Bell
Mother:   Mary Bell
Gender:   Female
Where born:   Barony, Lanark
Town:   Barrachnie
County:   Lanarkshire
Address:   Flocks
Occupation:   At Home
ED:   31
Page:   18
Household schedule number:   64
LINE:   16

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William was born in Drumachose, Derry. on 15th April 1827.
This would likely be Drumachose Parish in Co. Londonderry. If the marriage was Church of Ireland then the records are quite good for such an early period.  C.I.  Drumachose  (Derry diocese)  Baptisms, 1730-52 and 1804-98; marriages, 1728-53 and 1805-45; burials, 1730-36 and 1804-81; etc. https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/Guide_to_church_records.pdf

  This didn't help (the site) to find any births, is there any other site?

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Is the death of Elisabeth Bell in 1854 under the name Bell or Laughlin or alternative spelling?
Elisabeth Lanchline (copy sent earlier)
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Not sure when exactly Samuel was born in 1851, but there is a Lanarkshire death for a wee baby with a parent called William.
It may be that Elizabeth Kerr/Bell Loughlin died around then?
Name   Mclachlan
Gender   Male
Birth Date   01 Nov 1852
Birthplace   GLASGOW,LANARK,SCOTLAND
Death Date   01 Nov 1852
Father's Name   William Mclachlan[/quote]
Cant be right because as I said, he was mentioned in both 1861 census with William (Laughlan) and Jane (Grieve)
I was told years ago that this census
William Langhland
 in the 1861 Scotland Census

1861 Scotland Census
Name:   William Langhland
Age:   33
Relationship:   Head
Spouse's name :   Jane Langhland
Gender:   Male
Where born:   Irland
Town:   Paisley
Address:   8 Moncrieff St
Occupation:   Meness Labour
ED:   12
Household schedule number:   35
LINE:   10


shows a Sarah Langhland as 10 (and the person thinks its a bad transcription, that it should be Samuel who would be 10 in 1861.    The next person is my grandfather (W J Langhland)   I have today written to Ancestry to see if it can be proven or fixed.

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Chasing Laughland, Lachlan, Lanchline, Laughlan
« on: Saturday 26 May 18 04:21 BST (UK)  »
fingers crossed

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Chasing Laughland, Lachlan, Lanchline, Laughlan
« on: Saturday 26 May 18 02:07 BST (UK)  »
It came up once, but disappeared again :(  no trying to send L3 & death cert.

I give up - I really must go, will try again when I get home.

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Chasing Laughland, Lachlan, Lanchline, Laughlan
« on: Saturday 26 May 18 01:59 BST (UK)  »
am having trouble attaching.  Will keep trying.

Sorry, I have to go out - I will try again when I get home.  I know it doesnt make sense right now - I'll try once more.

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Chasing Laughland, Lachlan, Lanchline, Laughlan
« on: Saturday 26 May 18 01:54 BST (UK)  »
L1 are my grandparents
L2  "     "   great grandfather with second wife Jane Grieve
L3  L2 is with Elizabeth Kerr (not proven) and Samuel -I mentioned earlier that Samuel shows up in the 1861 census as being with William Laughlan & Jane Grieve as being 10 yrs old.
The 1851 census shows him with a William Laughlan & Elizabeth (?) as "just" born, in other words "0 months"
You can see that William Laughlan & Jane Stewart were my great great grandparents.   I dont know his siblings.
The 4th child of William and Jane Grieve (she went on to have 5 children) - was Jane Galloway Laughlan, and Jane Grieve's parents were Peter Grieve & Jane Galloway - further proof.

Still catching up.
Elizabeth Laughlan (tho spelt Lanchline) death certificate is sent separately as are the trees.

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Chasing Laughland, Lachlan, Lanchline, Laughlan
« on: Friday 25 May 18 23:20 BST (UK)  »
I know the name Kerr could be correct, but this is what threw me - the name Bell.   I can't find her birth, or their marriage though there is a death for her in 23 Sept 1854 aged 30 (of decline) - that would have been 3 years after Samuel was born, and 12 months before William married Jane Grieve when Samuel was just 2 years old in the 1861 census.

This marriage looked likely, but the year would be wrong.
Name:   Elizabeth Bell
Gender:   Female
Marriage Date:   18 Jul 1845
Marriage Place:   Barony,Lanark,Scotland
Spouse:   William Mclachlan
FHL Film Number:   0994192, 0994193, 0994194, 0994195, 1041481, 0994191

1851 census
Name:   William Laughline
Age:   24
Estimated Birth Year:   abt 1827
Relationship:   Lodger
Gender:   Male
Where born:   Ireland
Parish Number:   622
Civil Parish:   Barony
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:   
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County:   Lanarkshire
Address:   524 Duke Street
Occupation:   Labourer - Brickfield
ED:   5C
Page:   13
Household schedule number:   48
LINE:   9
Roll:   CSSCT1851_145
Household Members:   
Name   Age
John Bell   34
Margaret Bell   30
Margaret Bell   15
John Bell   12
Elizabeth Bell   10
Jane Bell   7
Mary Bell   4
William Bell   11 Mo
William Laughline   24
Elisabeth Lanchline   24
Samuel Lanchline   2 Mo

Source Citation
Parish: Barony; ED: 5C; Page: 13; Line: 9; Roll: CSSCT1851_145; Year: 1851

Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1851 Scotland Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2006.

Original data: Scotland. 1851 Scotland Census. Reels 1-217. General Register Office for Scotland, Edinburgh, Scotland.

It seems they were boarders, with the Bell family - her brother perhaps?

In 1841
Name:   Elizabeth Bell
Age:   14
Estimated Birth Year:   abt 1827
Gender:   Female
Where born:   Lanarkshire, Scotland
Civil Parish:   Gorbals
County:   Lanarkshire
Address:   Eglinton Street
Occupation:   Worsted Spinner
Parish Number:   644/2
Household Members:   
Name   Age
Robert Bell   40
Ann Bell   40
Janet Bell   20
Margaret Bell   15
Elizabeth Bell   14
John Bell   12
Robert Bell   5
James Bell   3

In 1851
Name:   Elizabeth Bell
Age:   24
Estimated Birth Year:   abt 1827
Relationship:   Daughter
Father:   William Bell
Mother:   Mary Bell
Gender:   Female
Where born:   Barony, Lanark
Parish Number:   652
Civil Parish:   Old Monkland
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:   
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
Town:   Barrachnie
County:   Lanarkshire
Address:   Flocks
Occupation:   At Home
ED:   31
Page:   18
Household schedule number:   64
LINE:   16
Roll:   CSSCT1851_171
Household Members:   
Name   Age
William Bell   49
Mary Bell   49
Elizabeth Bell   24
Mary Bell   18
William Bell   15
James Kinniburgh   19

Hmmmm I dont think that is right, as Elizabeth is in two 1851 censuses aged 24 in both :(
Meanwhile I will look up your suggestions and get back to you.

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Chasing Laughland, Lachlan, Lanchline, Laughlan
« on: Thursday 24 May 18 03:41 BST (UK)  »
I am pretty sure Samuel was not Jane Grieve's son, even though he was born in Barony Lanarkshire.
I was sure he had married prior to having Samuel to an Elizabeth (either Bell or Kerr), and she died not long after his birth, then he married Jane Grieve.




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