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Sussex / Re: Henry Saunders 1824-1915
« on: Friday 16 June 23 12:32 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the extra info. 

I'm in a quandary as to whether to firmly link Henry Saunders born c 1824 to James Saunders as the Henry living with James and Mary appears to have been born 1826 from the census returns.  I'm not sure if it's safe to reconcile those different dates - 1824 supplied by Henry at his marriage so presumably correct and at burial birth year by deduction 1823. The lack of a baptism for him is frustrating. he also always consistently states he was born in Herstmonceaux.

I'd welcome thoughts on the link.

I know from Henry's marriage registration that his father was a James Saunders so I'll have another search around to see if any other James' come to ligh, I didn't find any in my researches some years ago..

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Sussex / Re: Henry Saunders 1824-1915
« on: Wednesday 14 June 23 16:40 BST (UK)  »
First wife Frances was buried in 1819 and James married second wife Mary Tapp in 1821.


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Sussex / Re: Henry Saunders 1824-1915
« on: Wednesday 14 June 23 15:17 BST (UK)  »
Thanks everyone.

It looks like either Henry wasn't baptised or else for some reason his name was missed off the records.  I'll go with his birth year as 1824 as implied in his marriage record as being 24 years old.

The info on James is what I'd pencilled in but as I hadn't found Mary Tapp's baptism I was wary that the wedding took place at St Nicholas in Brighton which seemed some way away from James' haunts.  Her baptism at Framfield brings her back into the equation nicely so I'll go with That James and Mary Tapp. I wonder why St Nicholas - was there a 'marriage market' there for would be couples?   ::)

I think I may have found James' first marriage, to Frances Gander on 21 July 1817 at Herstmonceaux. Looking for a burial for her I found one on 01 October 1819 at Ringmer aged 51 meaning she'd be c49 at marriage, James' age 44 - 41 - 39 - 36 depending on age at burial and the 1841, 51 & 61 censuses receptively. Somewhat confusing! ???  If this is the right first wife it would explain why no children. Any thoughts?

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Sussex / Henry Saunders 1824-1915
« on: Wednesday 14 June 23 11:59 BST (UK)  »
In the 1851 to 1911 censuses Henry consistently states that he was born at Herstmonceaux but I can't find a baptism for him there on any of the various web sites including SFHG. In case he was mistaken and perhaps his parents moved there when he was a toddler and the only place he remembered I've checked all the nearby parishes to no avail.

When he married Jane Marchant in 1848 he gave his age as 24 giving a birth year of 1824 and father as James Saunders. His burial record for 04 March 1915 at Netherfield gave his age as 92 which gave a birth year of c 1823.

I'm also finding it difficult to track down his father James.  I have found  a few possibilities including one who had two children baptised at Herstmonceaux in 1828 & 1831 but I don't want to muddy the waters with any of the possibilities until I can find Henry's baptism.

I would really like to find his baptism and would appreciate any help.

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The Common Room / Re: Death Registered 2 months later but not by Coroner?
« on: Tuesday 30 May 23 21:18 BST (UK)  »
One of my ancestors death was registered by the coroner who conducted an inquest into my ancestor's death and then it was registered again five weeks later in a different town and county by one of the sons who alleged he was present at the death.

Both registrations contained errors, more so in the son's one.

The ancestor was buried before the coroner had registered the death.  This was in 1863.

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'Attendance' possibly with 'at' after it but not sure, would read better if 'at' is there

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The Common Room / Re: Building an Arch
« on: Tuesday 16 May 23 12:21 BST (UK)  »
(But in view of what happened to my ancestor, I'm not sure I approve of the laughter...)

Definitely not, Fred was laughing at himself I think in embarrassment.

Building always was a very dangerous occupation, building the castles involved spiral ramps upwards supported by cantilever timbers set in holes in the stonework below, no handrails not that that would have done any good if a large block of stone being dragged up broke free. It still is a dangerous occupation especially if the site management don't follow the rules and cut corners on safety and working practices. You only have to look at the records for constructions years ago to see how many man and boys were killed/injured, around the time of your ancestor's aqccident.

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The Common Room / Re: Building an Arch
« on: Monday 15 May 23 16:01 BST (UK)  »
In 1854 it is likely that a lime mortar or part lime part cement mortar was used.  This takes longer to set especially the lime only mortar leaving it more vulnerable to damage by heavy rain than all cement mortar.

If the top of the newly built arch wasn't protected from the heavy rain then it's probable that some of the mortar in the joints across the top of the arch was washed away or sufficiently so as to jeopardise the load bearing capability of the arch.

It is also possible that the centering was struck before the mortar had achieved sufficient strength to create a stable construction.  The incomparable Fred Dibnah accidentally demonstrated this in one of his programmes where he'd demonstrated the building of a brick arch then removed the centering and sat on the top of the arch - for it to collapse to his laughter.

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Buckinghamshire / Re: Padbury
« on: Sunday 30 April 23 17:18 BST (UK)  »
It might be worth trying second hand bookshops in the area. most have a database of what they've got in stock or if not a local area section where you could have a trawl through.

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