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The Common Room / Re: People stealing things off your tree?
« on: Wednesday 20 June 18 20:00 BST (UK)  »
Sorry to hear, it is so annoying and stressful when you spend so much time on things and someone just takes it and passes it off as their own. I suspected if I confronted the person they might also get nasty and then refuse to delete it or simply ignore me. I suppose I could ask ancestry to delete it, but I'd be surprised if they took any notice ::). I wonder whether or not copyright law applies, of course most people can't afford to bring a case or won't because it's only something done not for profit anyway.

Thanks. I've also worked as a newspaper reporter and I still feel irked when I remember the time some jerk plagiarized an article of mine. But at least when that happened my editor emailed the offending newspaper and it complied with our demands (replacing their so-called reporter's byline with our newspaper's name and adding a link to the original story).

The ability to freely copy, paste and otherwise reproduce someone else's work is too big a temptation for some to resist, while other folks might not have a full appreciation of the issues. The way that people use their online trees as they would a notebook in their desk drawer also complicates matters: for me, there's a big difference between the tree I keep on my computer and something I would consider publishable, but that's not the case for most people nowadays.

I don't know how Ancestry would respond. It might be worth a try.

The Common Room / Re: People stealing things off your tree?
« on: Wednesday 20 June 18 15:04 BST (UK)  »
"People steal from printed family histories too, a relative of a relative wholesale copied & photographed a FH I made and put it on their own tree with no acknowledgement!"

This happened to me, too. One of the four or so cousins with whom I shared my expensively-researched printed family tree document gave it to a man who keeps a large tree online with as many people from a specific area as he can find. I noticed he had some info about my family online and contacted him. He proceeded to email me my entire document, complete with all of my data and all of the commentary I had written. I was shocked. I told him that I was the original author of what he had sent me and at first he vehemently denied it. Then he got nasty, called me names, and said it didn't matter because it was all in the public domain. I realized he would never acknowledge my research and that the data was now his, so I begged him to delete the commentary and certain specific identifying details about a family member who had been born and died less than 100 years ago. I don't know if he ever did it. All I know is that he was offering my research on a CD to anyone who would give him data on living people who belonged to this extended family. It was a deeply upsetting experience for me.

The Common Room / Re: People stealing things off your tree?
« on: Monday 18 June 18 17:40 BST (UK)  »
It would upset me, too. Unfortunately (IMO), this has become the norm with people who have online trees. It becomes a case of "once burned, twice shy."

You've learned (the hard way) how much it bothers you. It may not bother some other people but your feelings are yours and they are valid. All you can do now is figure out how you will proceed from here.

The Common Room / Re: Anyone found much use in the Brit. Newspaper Archive sub?
« on: Monday 18 June 18 17:32 BST (UK)  »
I've tried putting the names of everyone listed in my family tree in and barely found anything bar the odd death or birth listing, but 90% nothing

Have you checked the website to make sure they have newspapers from the right area in the right timeframe? That has happened to me when searching for specific obits (in more than one online newspaper archive).

Is it possible that the local library might have newspapers that haven't made it to the internet yet?

It can be a good thing if they didn't make the papers -- it might mean they lived quiet, law-abiding lives -- but it can be frustrating for us as family researchers.

If they weren't mentioned much in the newspapers, perhaps there are other sources of information that you can consult. Have you checked city directories? Sometimes you can learn approximately when someone has died, or when young adults have left their parents' home and if/when they got married.

In my experience, results can vary greatly from family to family. I've found zero newspaper mentions for one extended family but lots of coverage in the church records. With another family, each time more issues of the local newspaper are uploaded, I find more articles, but they all concern court appearances. (Rascals, the lot of them!)

Good luck in your search!

The Common Room / Re: Anyone found much use in the Brit. Newspaper Archive sub?
« on: Saturday 16 June 18 16:08 BST (UK)  »
and this is all from just putting names in?

Sometimes you have to be creative with your search terms. I've used spelling variations of names, titles (e.g. Dr.), town names with surnames, addresses, street names, property names, business names, occupations with either surnames or town names, etc.

The Common Room / Re: Anyone found much use in the Brit. Newspaper Archive sub?
« on: Saturday 16 June 18 15:40 BST (UK)  »
I've made some great discoveries and found useful information in the newspapers on that website.

A lot depends on timeframe and location.

For example, I've noticed that prior to a certain point in the 1800s, BMDs were usually only mentioned for the "special" people (in the newspapers I've looked at, that is).

Family History Beginners Board / Re: Sharing photos of ancestors
« on: Saturday 28 April 18 05:32 BST (UK)  »

Have you seen the Dead Fred website? I think it has a wide reach.


The Common Room / Re: Disabled people - Airbrushed out?
« on: Tuesday 24 April 18 16:12 BST (UK)  »
In our family trees we note the occupation relationships of our forebears - we note where they lived where they moved to and describe the lives they lead.
 But the lives disabled people lived or the relationships they had with other family members are rarely chronicled.  The censuses label them e.g. as 'idiot, or 'imbecile' etc. and that is the end of their story.
Many lived long lives - sometimes in institutions - what was their daily life - where did they 'fit in?'

Too many are simply labelled and forgotten about - is that because they're not as interesting as the able-bodied relatives?

Interesting to whom?

Your questions are valid but to whom are they directed? Are you addressing societal attitudes of the past or the personal interest levels of today's genealogy buffs?

Surely you are not suggesting that Rootschatters are not interested in ancestors or relatives who had disabilities?

Even if you have spent very little time perusing the threads here, you cannot have missed the fact that most of us are practically obsessed over the tiniest detail we can scrounge on our ancestors and their relatives.

I think it's safe to say that, when genealogy keeners like us come across information about illness or disability, it expands not only our knowledge of those individuals but also our empathy and understanding of what life might have been like for them and their family members.

One of my ancestors was "quite deaf" but I only learned of it when I purchased copies of court documents related to charges that were made against him. First, we knew nothing of the criminal charges or the time he spent in prison and, second, we had no knowledge of his deafness. I was astounded and fascinated. What was the first thing I did? I researched the prisons where I knew he stayed. The second? I researched education for the deaf in his country and lifetime.

As others have noted, it is hard to find those details. We could blame it on attitudes that people held about disabilities and differences in years past or we could blame the fact that the record sources that are available to us now simply weren't intended for that purpose.

This is true even for today, I think. Using myself as an example, I had a couple of birth defects and also have more than one chronic health condition, but none of those will cause or contribute to my death. Unless I record it somewhere, and that information is preserved by family, how will the descendants of my niece and nephew ever learn of it? And if they don't, will it be because they just don't care, or because they have no way of knowing?


Family History Beginners Board / Re: Surname differences
« on: Tuesday 24 April 18 15:38 BST (UK)  »
When it's just an issue of spelling variations, I pick the one that either was used most often or that relatives would recognize as belonging to our folks.

For example, my great-grandmother's maiden surname was spelled Pryde on all her documentation, so that's the spelling I use, even though if I go farther back in time I'll also find instances of it being spelled as Pride.

But there's always an exception (or two). One of my family surnames was changed in specific ways and then used that way henceforth by specific branches. For example, my great-grandfather finally settled on a specific spelling of his surname, and it's almost 100% guaranteed that anyone whose surname is spelled that way will be related to me. So for that surname, the different branches are assigned their own particular spellings.

When I'm transcribing records, of course, the transcripts reflect the way the names were spelled in the actual documents.


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