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1918
The Common Room / Re: Help with a Theory
« on: Monday 24 July 06 12:35 BST (UK)  »
I've got my fingers crossed for you, Kathleen!

It might be worthwhile to try to locate the church archives office for your family's area, especially if the churches themselves have been closed or moved.

Regards,
Josephine

1919
The Lighter Side / Re: Are you tracing your tree for your children's benefit?
« on: Monday 24 July 06 02:00 BST (UK)  »
I'm doing it for me but I hope other family members will get something out of it, too, because I love sharing.

I've made copies of everything for my aunts & their cousin, so they can share it with their children, if any are interested.

I did a lot of research into my mother-in-law's family tree in the year before she (unexpectedly) passed away.  It made her happy and brought us closer together.

I'm in touch with cousins I never knew I had on my paternal grandmother's side of the family and that makes me glad.

When I was in college, I loved doing research.  Ever since I was a girl, I loved filling up notebooks.  It's no wonder I like genealogy!

I do hope it will be meaningful to my daughter or my brother's children when they are adults.

Regards,
Josephine

1920
The Lighter Side / Re: What is the biggest mystery in your tree?
« on: Monday 24 July 06 01:45 BST (UK)  »
My biggest mystery is my g-g-grandmother, Sarah Pope. 

Who was she, where did she come from and where did she go?

At the time of her marriage, on 2 June 1868, she was of “full age”.  Her father, Robert Pope, was a labourer.

But I can't find a Pope family in the 1851 or 1861 census with a father named Robert and a daughter the right age named Sarah.

Sarah Pope married William Thomas George.

If I have the right George family in 1871, her age is 23 and her birthplace is Whitechapel, Middlesex.

If I have the right George family in 1881, her age is 36 and her birthplace is Whitechapel, Middlesex.  (I'm pretty sure this is the right family in 1881.)

So she might have been born circa 1845-1848.  No record of a middle name.

There was a Sarah Pope born in 1845 in Whitechapel but I sent away for the certificate and it's the wrong girl.

Her husband died in 1883 (I have the death record) and I can't find her or her children in 1891 or 1901.

I have other brick walls but this one is the worst. 

Regards,
Josephine

1921
The Lighter Side / Re: What is the biggest mystery in your tree?
« on: Monday 24 July 06 01:28 BST (UK)  »
>> Emily had an illigitimate daughter when she was in service. That happened a lot. <<

PaulaToo,

Thanks, I didn't know that happened a lot.

My great-grandfather was illegitimate.  His mother was a 17-year-old live-in domestic at the time she became pregnant.  Apparently,  she was working for a well-off family and there were rumours that she was paid never to reveal the identity of her baby's father.  She took the secret to her grave and never even told her son.

Based on the employer's occupation, I believe I have identified the family my g-g-grandmother was working for.  Maybe one day they'll have a DNA study of that family and I can submit mine, just in case.

I didn't know my great-grandfather was illegitimate until I sent away for his parents' marriage record and learned they had gotten married when he was three and a half years old.  Then I had to ask around and was filled in by various members of that community (all the family members who might have known have died).

But he's not my biggest mystery, since I've (almost) given up on ever learning the identity of his biological father.

Regards,
Josephine

1922
The Common Room / Re: Help with a Theory
« on: Sunday 23 July 06 22:43 BST (UK)  »
Kathleen,

Have you checked with the churches in their area?  Perhaps there might be death or marriage records for the other children.  The same might be true of the cemeteries.  Do you know where your g-g-g-grandmother is buried?

I have so many mysteries and brick walls.  You have my sympathy!

Have you tried searching the 1870 census for your g-g-grandmother by her given name and approximate birth date only?  It can be extremely tedious if the given name is common but sometimes it does pay off.

Do you have a marriage record for your g-g-g-grandfather and his second wife?  It might give the name of a family member that you could search for in the census.

Just based on some families I've researched (either mine or my cousins'), it seems like it wasn't uncommon for the kids to be scattered after their mother died.  It's hard if you don't know the names of other relatives to confirm that you've got the right person.

Good luck!
Josephine

1923
The Common Room / Re: Help with a Theory
« on: Saturday 22 July 06 21:31 BST (UK)  »
Kathleen,

Hmmm, I think it's possible.

The first three children were listed with the evil stepmother and their father in 1865?  Did the next two children come along after that?  Perhaps it was too much work for her to care for her own children and "someone else's".

I think it is also possible that the evil stepmother might have sent her stepchildren to live with relatives of their father or mother.

Or perhaps your g-g-grandmother might have been working as a live-in domestic somewhere in 1870?

Regards,
Josephine


1924
Canada / Re: Searching for Alice LOVE emigrated early 1900s to Manitoba
« on: Saturday 22 July 06 02:03 BST (UK)  »
You're welcome, John!  Good luck in your seaching!

Regards,
Josephine

1925
You're welcome, jericho!

Regards,
Josephine

1926
Canada / Re: Searching for Alice LOVE emigrated early 1900s to Manitoba
« on: Sunday 16 July 06 14:05 BST (UK)  »
John,

I'm not aware of any FreeBMD-type of index for Canada.  If you look at the Manitoba Vital Statistics search page, you'll see that they don't have any recent info online because of confidentiality issues.

If you write to the Manitoba Public Library, they might be able to find a newspaper notice about the marriage.  As Thelma wrote, the library might also be able to find them in city directories.  If the library has a death index or cemetery listings, they might find them there for you, as well, which in turn would give you the date of death so they could look for an obit.


Winnipeg Public Library:
http://wpl.winnipeg.ca/library/

Manitoba GenWeb:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmb/index.htm

Manitoba Vital Statistics:
http://web2.gov.mb.ca/cca/vital/Query.php

Our Roots (searchable digitized books):
http://www.ourroots.ca/e/

I got 34 results when I searched on the surname Love in Winnipeg, Manitoba:
http://www.canada411.ca/


Regards,
Josephine

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