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Antrim / Re: Donegore - Bryson-Wilson
« on: Yesterday at 01:03 »
Moving on to James bryson son of John Bryson of Ballywee; there are two main contenders for this James Bryson. They are:

1 James Brison of Ballybracken who married Ann McConnel of Ballyvoy on 19 Jan 1829 (1st Donegore)
2 James Brison of Holestone  who married Martha Ann McConnell of Ballywee on 5 Jul 1831. "

The transcription of the tombstone #223 Kilbrde) erected by James Bryson of Holestone in the previous post also has the following after the death of the erector in 1832 "Likewise his granddaughter Lizziie Bryson who died 26 March 1858 aged 10 years and his grandson Thoas Bryson who died 26 Aug 1860 aged ?19 years" Both of these grandchildren belonged to parents James Bryson and Martha McConnell who are buried in plot #224. Both Lizzie and Thomas are listed again on the tombstone for plot 224. So James Bryson who married Martha McConnell was the son of James Bryson of Holestone.

Which leaves James bryson of Ballybracken as the main contender for the son of John Bryson of Ballywee, whose 1836 Will says that James was deceased but had surviving children.

Other deeds show that John Bryson of Ballywee had sold his Ballywee lease and purchased other leases in Ballybracken in the 1820s.

In the 1833 Tithes (online at PRONI) James Brison of McVickersland held two farms, one of 21 acres and the other of 42 acres.

James does not appear in the Griffiths valuations and Ann Bryson of Ballybracken, widow, nee McConnell married Malcom Barkely of Ballyclaverty on 3 May 1850

Ann Barkley died 1875 aged 71 and her death at Ballywoodock was registered by William Samuel Bell.

Mary Bryson of Ballyclaverty, daughter of James, married William Samuel Bell on 20 May 1858 at Parkgate
Robert Bryson of Ballyclaverty, son of James married Sarah Caldwell of Holestone on 13 Sep 1860 at Parkgate

Mary Bryson appears to have been born c1836/1837 so could well have been a posthumous child of James Bryson.

Robert was probably born c1830 so there is potential for another child born 1829 or possibly two others born between Robert and Mary.

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Antrim / Re: Donegore - Bryson-Wilson
« on: Wednesday 27 March 24 23:24 GMT (UK)  »
Before I repost on the James Bryson of McVickersland, I want to mention a couple of Deeds unearthed by Gilby.

The first is ROD 797/255/538390
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ7-Q9HQ-5?i=163&cat=185720

I will not attempt to transcribe this but in summary a John Bryson obtained the lease of a 51 acres farm in Ballybracken from a John Sittlington who was granted that lease in 1769. This JOhn Bryson was the father of James Bryson (who became his heir) and his brothers John, Alexander and Hugh. James Bryson transferred that lease, which he had inhertited, to his brothers in 1779. JOhn Bryson of Ballywee was witness to that transfer.

By 1823 Alexander had been granted part of that farm by his brother Hugh (who died shortly after) so at the time of this deed owned half the farm, and this deed records the transfer of that half of 51 acres to a John Bryson of Ballybracken. Alexander was presumably the brother of the John Bryson of Ballybracken who was born c1752 and died 1812, so the John Bryson of Ballybracken of this 1823/24 deed, was probably Alexander's nephew.  John Bryson, who was the oldest son of John Bryson born c1752,was born c1785 and married Margaret Ballah.

The other deed is dated 1825. I hope the link works. Date: 3 Nov 1825
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ7-SS32-6?i=246&cat=185720

This deed refers to another memorial deed dated 1 Nov 1803 between John Bryson of Ballywee and James Bryson of Holestone, who were brothers. James Bryson of Holestone erected the Tombstone transcribed below which says their father James Bryson died 1 June 1803.

This stone is erected by James Bryson of Holestone in memory of his wife Isabella who died 1st April 1797 aged 41.  Also his father who died 1st June 1803 aged 71.  Also his mother who died 1st May 1807 aged 65 and two of his children.  Also the erector who died 20th February 1832 aged 64 years.

This James who died 1803 (born c 1732) was possibly the James Bryson of "then of Ballyvoy"  who was the heir of John Bryson in the first deed.

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Antrim / Re: Donegore - Bryson-Wilson
« on: Tuesday 26 March 24 06:23 GMT (UK)  »
I started to update the Bryson information this morning and thought I posted on the two Brysons, James and  Robert, listed at McVickersland in the 1833 Tithes. But when I returned later it had not gone through. I will get back to them later if they still have not appeared but it is quite likely that the James Bryson in the Tithes was the missing James Bryson, son of John W Bryson.

However looking back through the posts I realise I did not get back to Lorna about the family of Robert Bryson and Eleanore Gawn. I happened to be looking through my Gawn DNA matches last night and realised I have a DNA match in this family.

As Lorna said Robert Bryson died quite young and as Gilby said there were only two sons from this marriage that we know about. My information came from the GawnFamilyStory website but I extended from that information in Ancestry trees.

One son James Bryson died young and did not have any family but the other son, John Alexander Bryson did marry ( to Mary Gamble) and emigrated to Ottowa Canada where he died in 1895. By my count John and Mary had 4 sons and 5 daughters born in Canada. My DNA match lies in the family of the second son Robert Bryson and his wife Sarah Reid.

My common Ancestors with my  Bryson DNA match are my 5th gt grandparents John Gawn and Mary Brooks and we are 6th cousins so only share a small amount of DNA. But fortunately enough for Ancestry to connect us via a common ancestor.

It also seems that yDNA has just confirmed the connection between the Bryson family of Ballybracken (belonging to Robert Bryson b c1790 who married Eleanor Gawn), and the family of John W Bryson of Ballywee which is also a very distant connection.

From the behind scenes research it appears that Robert Bryson was the son of John Bryson b c1752 of Ballybracken and his wife Janet. This information comes from a tombstone transcription for plot#25 Kilbride.

"Erected in memory of John Bryson of Ballybracken who departed this life 1st May 1812 aged 60 years, also 3 of his children, also his wife Janet Bryson who departed this life 10th August 1833 aged 73 years."

This John Bryson was probably a cousin of John W Bryson of Ballywee who is listed in an 1803  deed as a brother of James Bryson of Holestone. James Bryson of Holestone erected a tombstone in Kilbride for his father James Bryson who died 1803 aged 71. (plot #223)

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Sligo / Re: William Henry
« on: Saturday 09 March 24 04:21 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Kiltaglassan. 

Yes those are  the correct connections. Mary Anne Black was the daughter of my gt grandfather's sister Jane Livingston, and Thomas Black. It was my Livingston tree that had the same dates of death for William Henry but I did not have his place of death (or had assumed it was Sligo). The information came from a Livingston relative living in Sligo.

Marguerita died 1996 widow of Thomas Lockhart. There was also a brother William T Henry who died in Sligo in 2003.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: William Henry and Bryce Henry
« on: Saturday 27 January 24 04:16 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Sibbie

My father and I were in contact in the early 1990s with Ethel Broderson,  a descendant  of the KatiKati Henry's and we did put together quite a lot of Henry informaion back then. Ethel wrote to the 1st Antrim Presbyt. Church in 1993 and they passed her letter on to one of William's granddaughters  Alice Scott.

Thomas Henry  was an older brother of William Henry, and he came to NZ in 1886 with his wife and older children and they settled in Katikati. Another brotehr John, second son of Bryce Henry appears to have come to NZ in 1866 and settled in the South island.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: William Henry and Bryce Henry
« on: Saturday 27 January 24 01:47 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Sibbie

I have tried to send you a personal message. I think you may need to post another time before you can repy by personal message which is where we can exchange email addresses.

In the meanitime I think the thread you saw was my Antrim post when I was trying to expand the Henry family beyond Bryce Henry of Dunsilly born 1802 at Shanrod Co Down. These are his parents and siblings. The * show the lines in which I have DNA matches in Ancestry


Family of Brice Henry (1773-1852) and Mary Nelson (1772-1850)
James Henry      b Jun 1798   d 1849      m Mary Nelson
Agnes Henry      b c1801         m R Allen
*    Bryce Henry      b c1802    d 1879      m Eliza Ewing
Revd John Henry    b 1807      d 1885      m Eliza Porter
Nelson Henry      b c1810      d 1881      m Margaret Mulligan
*   Mary Henry      b c1813            m James McIlroy
Thomas Henry      b c 1815   d 1901      m Mary Jane Kirkpatrick
*   Isaac Henry      b c 1817   d 1884      m Mary Mulligan

Cheers

Linda

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: William Henry and Bryce Henry
« on: Friday 26 January 24 06:24 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you Neale for alerting me to this post.

I will look at the post which I made in Co Down though our bryce henry was in Dunsilly Antrim. It was only when I found that Bryce was part of the Henry family from Shanrod Co Down that I posted there.

Yes I know Bryce Henry         b 22  May 1889   m 1915 (NZ) Violet Ellen Parlett and died 1948

My gt grandmother born Dunsilly was a granddaughter of Bruce Henry born c180 2 and she came to NZ with my grandfather in 1905.

Cheers

Linda

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Antrim / Re: Donegore - Bryson-Wilson
« on: Friday 12 January 24 10:28 GMT (UK)  »
The 1911 census record for Ellen Nevin shows 4 children born and 3 alive. The two children listed with Ellen and John Nevin were his children born after they married in 1901. So it looks like one of Ellen's two children Sarah and Robert Bryson  born before 1901 was still alive in 1911. I can see one Sarah Bryson aged 14 listed as a visitor in Owensland in 1911 who would be a possibility.

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Antrim / Re: Donegore - Bryson-Wilson
« on: Friday 12 January 24 10:20 GMT (UK)  »
Looks like Martha Gordon registered the birth of Ellen's daughter Sarah so that does fit.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02175/1823538.pdf

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