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Armed Forces / WWI photo of grandfather and unidentified others
« on: Wednesday 14 December 11 18:56 GMT (UK)  »
I was advised to post a link to this thread here about a photo of my grandfather and some unidentified men with him.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,571115.0.html

There's also some information about his unit which I'm hoping someone will interpret. Is it wildly improbable that I could find out who these men were? I'm thinking they were likely in his unit.

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World War One / Re: Unidentified People in Old Photos
« on: Wednesday 14 December 11 18:44 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks, Heather.

I'll follow these suggestions.


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World War One / Re: Unidentified People in Old Photos
« on: Wednesday 14 December 11 02:58 GMT (UK)  »
Here's some military information in the attached image from my mother's birth record, dated Sep. 4, 1916, which shows where my grandfather was on that date, and information about his unit. I think he was in the Royal Engineers, but would appreciate more information from someone who know how to interpret this information.

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World War One / Re: Unidentified People in Old Photos
« on: Wednesday 14 December 11 02:30 GMT (UK)  »
Looking at the photo right now, I notice the chevrons, and it seems these men are all the same rank. I'm thinking that if they are all from the same outfit, somewhere there may be military records which would identify them, by finding out the names of those who served with my grandfather. I have some information about his unit, and I'll find it and post it.

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World War One / Unidentified People in Old Photos
« on: Wednesday 14 December 11 02:18 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

Like may others with boxes of old family photos, I have photos with unidentified people in them. There are two categories:

1. No known individuals.

2. Some known individuals, the rest unknown.

I'm going to attach an example of the 2nd type.

This is a photo from WWI, taken in England, I believe. My maternal grandfather, William Henry Dalley (1883 - 1965) is 3rd from the left. He was born in Cardiff, Wales.

Here's my question: I have no idea who the others are in the photo, but out there somewhere there are people who would know these men as their grandfathers, great grandfathers etc. Where could photos like this be posted to maximize the appropriate kind of exposure? I have many old family photos, and would love to share them with people who know any of the people in them.

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London and Middlesex / Re: Sarah Riviere French huguenot?
« on: Friday 14 October 11 23:18 BST (UK)  »
I think you are right about Jacob Jean Riviere. As I just recently started researching this family, I have a number of people I'm sure are connected, but haven't figured out the details yet. They are tricky to research, because it appears a number of them anglicized their names, both given and surnames. And the same person could appear with different versions in different records.

Putting the names into Google Books turns up some hits. For example, I found a reference to a bankruptcy proceeding against Samuel Newton R.

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London and Middlesex / Re: ELTON birth certificate mystery
« on: Friday 14 October 11 22:55 BST (UK)  »
Thanks very much, Valda!

This is exactly the kind of information I was looking for.

After arriving in the U.S. in the summer of 1888, the family travelled to Utah, where they settled (they were Mormons). But Emma died in Feb. 1891, less than three years after arriving. Henry left almost immediately for Toronto, Canada, taking the two younger children with him. They are shown in the 1891 Canada census staying with a daughter of his 1st marriage and her husband. The oldest daughter, Isabel Amelia, now called Millie was left behind to be raised by a John Reading and family and took on their name. It took me a great deal of effort to track her down, because I didn't know her married name or the name of the family she had been informally adopted into.

We have always wondered why Millie (Isabel Amelia) was left behind in Utah. Now, with the near confirmation that Henry was not her father, there is a plausible explanation. His interest in Mormonism also appears to have died with his 2nd wife, as he seems to have been a Presbyterian when he died in Toronto in 1901.

Fred

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London and Middlesex / ELTON birth certificate mystery
« on: Friday 14 October 11 19:45 BST (UK)  »
Emma Elton,

Birth July 14 1858 in Worcester Worcestershire England
Death February 2 1891 in Salt Lake City, Utah, USA

is my G grandmother. She married Henry Plimer (1823-1901) in the 4th quarter of 1883.

She was living in Hackney in the 1881 census, as a servant with a family named Stokes:

Piece: 291  Folio: 78  Page: 29        Registration District:  Hackney
    
Civil Parish: Hackney
Address: 96, High St Kingsland, Hackney  County: Middlesex

Emma's marriage to Henry P. was his second marriage, and there were apparently three children of this union: Isabel Amelia (b. 1883), John Henry (b. 1885), and Annie (b. 1887). Annie was my grandmother. There are FreeBMD records for the births of John Henry and Annie in Birmingham, but I was never able to find a record of a birth anywhere for Isabel Amelia, long known in the family records only as Amelia, who later went by the name Millie after settling in Utah. Utah records indicated that she was born in London, not Birmingham as the family lore indicated.

Passenger lists indicate the following:

Henry and Emma are shown on a ship to New York city in 1884, together with Amelia Plimer, aged 8 months.

But they are back in Birmingham again for the birth of John Henry in 1885, and remained for the birth of Annie in 1887. The family is again shown on a ship to NYC in 1888, with the oldest child now shown as Isabel Amelia. I only recently got this passenger record, and this was the first time I became aware of the name Isabel for this person. On this basis, I searched for a birth for an Isabel Amelia Plimer without success. Then tried Isabel Amelia Elton, in case the birth was out of wedlock. I had suspected this for some time, because the Utah records indicated a birth date of Sep. 27, 1883, and Henry and Emma's marriage was registered in the 4th quarter of 1883 (his 1st wife's - also named Emma - death being registered in the 1st quarter of 1883). Immediately, I turned up a FreeBMD birth record for an Isabel Amelia Elton registered in the 4th quarter of 1883 (Poplar 1c 613). I sent for the certificate and it arrived yesterday.

Here are the details:

Registration District: Poplar
Subdistric: Bromley
County: Middlesex
Address: 11 Favonia Street

Birth date: 17 Sep 1883
Registration Date: 22 oct 1883

Name: Isabel Amelia
Father: Walter Elton
Mother: Emma Elton formerly Horton
Occupation of father: Iron turner

A couple of facts: Horton was Emma's mother's maiden name, not hers.
I have her mother's name as Isabella Amelia Horton (1837-1904), who married John Elton (1819-1881).

So, I'm a bit puzzled. I did not expect to find another person with the name Elton as father, and can't seem to find a Walter Elton who's a good fit, though I've only been searching since yesterday. I'm suspicious that he's not the real father. I'm 90% to 95% certain that I have the right mother and daughter here. Anyone have any thoughts on this? I've only looked at a couple of birth certificates for out-of-wedlock births, and the other one left the box for father blank.

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London and Middlesex / Re: Sarah Riviere French huguenot?
« on: Wednesday 12 October 11 20:38 BST (UK)  »
nvb272,

I am taking a look at what I have on Samuel Brittain (b. 1780). My research indicates that he married Jane Sanders (b. 1780) on 6 Jun 1803 (London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812). So he would appear not to be the same person as the Samuel Britten in your line. it's hard to be certain about this, because the spellings jump around so much. The record I have connecting him to Samuel Brittain and Sarah Riviere, for example, gives the spellings of all of their names as Brittian (an IGI record of a christening on May 1, 1780). This is not an unusual spelling or mistranscription of Brittain. I think I'm up to eight or so now in the different spellings I've run into for the name.

Fred

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