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Wigtownshire / Re: McMeckan / McClymont
« on: Yesterday at 23:08 »
As they were living in Scotland after 1855, and assuming that they died in Scotland, their death certificates should tell you the full names of their parents including their mothers' maiden surnames, assuming that the informant(s) knew that information.

See www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk - a small fee is payable to view the original documents.



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Orkney / Re: Thomson's & Tulloch's
« on: Thursday 18 April 24 21:40 BST (UK)  »
No.

You need to look at one of the birth certificates to see what they tell you. They will tell you the name of the twins' mother. The father of an illegitimate child can only be recorded on the birth certificate if he accompanies the mother when she goes to register the birth, and signs the certificate along with her. However I don't think he did in this case because the twins' births are indexed only under Thomson, and if he had co-signed the certificate they would also be indexed under his surname.

It is possible, if Jemima knew who her father was, that she might have named him when she got married. Have you got her marriage certificates?

And don't waste your time looking in Ancestry. Scotland's People is the primary source of this information, and if it isn't there it isn't going to be on Ancestry either, because Ancestry just transcribes or indexes primary sources. See https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=714261.0

BTW you need to ask a Moderator to move your part of this thread out of Orkney and into Aberdeenshire.

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Orkney / Re: Thomson's & Tulloch's
« on: Wednesday 17 April 24 18:02 BST (UK)  »
Welcome to RootsChat :)

i think we might need a little more evidence to allow us to home in on your twins. Are you saying that your great-grandmother had twins Jemima and Ina in 1901 surnamed Hart; that Jemima was adopted by someone called Thomson, and Ina died in 1963? Because I can't find anything to match that.

However in 1901 twins named Jemima Innes Thomson and Williamina Down Thomson were born in the district of Pitsligo in Aberdeenshire. The mother's maiden surname is omitted from the index, which usually implies that the birth was illegitimate.

There is a death of Jemima Innes Thomson or Ritchie or Collett in Pitsligo in 1963, so it was Jemima, not Ina, who died in 1963.

The original documents can be viewed at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk for a modest fee. Either of the birth certificates will tell you the full name of the twins' mother and where they were born. This may allow you to find their mother in the 1901 and earlier census.




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Kincardineshire / Re: Arbuthnott, Which county please?
« on: Wednesday 17 April 24 07:40 BST (UK)  »
They'll be in the parish kirkyard, but if there's no gravestone there may not be any other records.

Unusually, there are some records of burials in the Arbuthnott parish register, but there don't seem to be any in the 1800s.

You could have a look at the parish accounts in the records of Arbuthnott Kirk Session and see if there are any payments for the mortcloth. This was a large cloth that was rented out for a fee and draped over the coffin during the funeral service.


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Midlothian / Re: James Steedman 1823-1912
« on: Tuesday 16 April 24 10:51 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Neale1961 on Tuesday 16 April 24 10:28 BST (UK)
I spent a long time looking at this today and I am still puzzled.🤔
I was hoping the name GEMMEL might provide some clues.
Likewise, but I have yet to find anything helpful.

There is a baptism of a Mary Whyte to Thomas W and Agnes Gemmill in Paisley in 1803, and no matching death after 1855, so it's possible. However the three grandsons don't include a Thomas.

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Midlothian / Re: James Steedman 1823-1912
« on: Tuesday 16 April 24 10:10 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Neale1961 on Monday 15 April 24 22:50 BST (UK)
ADDED - Also, the 1851 census I posted above is NOT correct.

Does that mean that the grandson of Peter S and Jean Coalier comes back into consideration?

- He's the right sort of age - 21 in 1851, so born 1829/1830
- He was born in the city (St Cuthbert's)

- Peter S and Jean Coalier had a son Alexander Ritchie Studman baptised in 1803.

Alexander Steedman, son of Peter S and Jean Collier, died in South Leith in 1878, aged 73. He married Isabella Dougall in 1841. Are the grandchildren living with Peter S and Jean C in 1841 his children by a previous marriage to Mary White?



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Lanarkshire / Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
« on: Tuesday 16 April 24 09:33 BST (UK)  »
Just for the record, the name Isabella originates from the Spanish/Portuguese version of Elizabeth, so it is basically the same name. See https://www.whatsinaname.net/female-names/Isabel.html

I have, very occasionally, come across a person who has been referred to by both names.

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Midlothian / Re: James Steedman 1823-1912
« on: Tuesday 16 April 24 09:02 BST (UK)  »
Looks good, but inconveniently James Steedman, parents Alexander S and Anne Turnbull, married Mary or Margaret Robertson and died in Glasgow in 1898. So it's not him.

In the census after his marriage James S husband-of-Marion consistently says he was born in the city of Edinburgh*, not Lasswade or Glencorse etc.
* Greenside is in the city.


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Midlothian / Re: James Steedman 1823-1912
« on: Monday 15 April 24 22:42 BST (UK)  »
Good find, Neale.

In which case he's not the James St*dman in the household of Peter S in 1851, so he's not the one with Peter S and Jean Coalier in 1841 either.

Can we find an approximately 8-year-old James S with parents Alexander and Mary in 1841?

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