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I have seen the trees before and noted the death of Mary Spellman.
There is no verification but that is not say it isnít her as there is a note that she died on arrival so there may well have been a family story.

There is no sighting however of any of the family before 1911 in the tree.

Elsewhere in 1891 census, there is a Mary McGonigal in hospital in Newcastle. 

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I am sorry I keep going over things and the age differences do seem to show that the two men are not the same person but I do like a mystery (of sorts)  ;)
 

The Earsdon J.T.McGonigal , born 1850ish shankill belfast, joined the west riding 76th regiment underage as a drummer under the name Thomas Hughes Mcgonigal. reg number 1220. in 1865.
In 1891 he came to england and his wife mary spellman aged 30.She died shortly after arrival.The 1911 cencus has him living at his son Daniels family aged 49 and a widower in shiremoor, earsdon in north east england.

The Army record is available so that is fine.
1911 is fine - we can see that.
Do you have evidence that he came to England in 1891?
Do you know for sure that Mary in 1891 is Mary Spellman?
Do you have the two children or John in 1891 and 1901?

Where is your JT living on his marriage?

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A daughter of the other John T married in 1908 in Doncaster.

She was born 1884 in Castlebar.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02676/1985803.pdf

She was registered as Ellen but married as Mary Ellen and is that name in 1911 - Mary Ellen Morton.

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williams occupation was general labourer.I have no idea when he died or where.

Sorry, just realised I meant John Thomasí death not Williamís.

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There was no father for John Thomas who married Mary Spelman.
What was your William's occupation?
When did your William die?

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Kildare / Re: Hoey and Kinsella, Castledermot
« on: Yesterday at 16:12 »
Thank You Heywood.
Now I have a copy of the information.

I don't know if this is my family but it is the only William Hoey and Mary Kinsella I found.

My William and Mary Kinsella had a son Joseph Hoey 1858 in Dublin. I have researched all births in Dublin but cant find a Mary Kinsella as a mother.

Thanks Again.

Not sure whether you have the 1858 birth or not but there is one here

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mrq/

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Hello again  :)

Yes it could we be that they two men are related. It is very confusing. Sorry to be back with more questions.

You write:
 The Earsdon J.T.McGonigal , born 1850ish shankill belfast, joined the west riding 76th regiment underage as a drummer under the name Thomas Hughes Mcgonigal. reg number 1220. in 1865. He later confessed in 1878 to using the alias thomas hughes mcgonigal when he joined up. Stating his real name is john thomas mcgonigal.In 1882 he was discharged after 12 yrs service aged 30.He had a son , Henry this same year.In 1891 he came to england and his wife mary spellman aged 30.She died shortly after arrival.The 1911 cencus has him living at his son Daniels family aged 49 and a widower in shiremoor, earsdon in north east england.


I have seen the records and as I mentioned the dates follow rather than run concurrently so in theory, they could be the same person hiding, for whatever reason, his past.
In 1891 4208/149,  Mary McGonigal is a patient in Newcastle and, as you say, dies soon afterwards.
Is this definitely Mary Spelman?
Do you have her husband and son in 1891?

1901 4810/88/28

Daniel McGougal b Dublin  :-\ (that could just be an assumption) is a boarder in Earsdon.
Do you have his father in 1901?

On your JTís marriage, what is his fatherís name and occupation?

Heywood

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Yes I saw one of those aghadowey.
The tree you mentioned earlier has children born later in Granard  :-\
Perhaps inserted because of the Doyle/Plunkett name or they are known to the family.
London area does also seem to be relevant.
Maybe wait now for Danny to come back to us, perhaps.

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London and Middlesex / Re: Vanishing Illings.
« on: Yesterday at 13:14 »
They may have been in transit, not registered and had a temporary home, near relatives, when Edith was born.

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