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The Stay Safe Board / Re: Diary summary week ending 14th April 2024
« on: Friday 12 April 24 22:28 BST (UK)  »
My daughter visited today and insisted on finishing vacuuming the room for me.   I used to move furniture about many years ago to make sure there wasn't a speck of dust and dirt anywhere.   I have a very heavy early 20th century sideboard which she insisted on shifting and to her horror she discovered a dead mouse behind it    She didn't move the piano, so I might have a surprise when that's moved lol

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With regard to incorrect facts.  We have to remember that many people couldn't read and write, or maybe they could write their own name.  My grandfather born in the 1880s was taught to write and read by my grandmother.

I have two people in the family tree who were two years older than stated by their parents on census forms.  Presumably this was in an effort to stop gossip and maybe to stop their offspring from being a local outcast.

In the days when teenagers had to move great distances to find work, they give incorrect information on official documents.  I have the oldest child in a family thinking they were born in the same place as their younger siblings and it's only when they had to produce documentation at their wedding that they saw their correct birth place. 

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The Common Room / Re: What does this mean?
« on: Tuesday 09 April 24 19:01 BST (UK)  »
I think I might be related to Pinocchio :-)

Following the clues I found the family story quite fascinating - and, as usual  it's not what you know, but who you know :-

Origin and meaning of surname "MOLYNEUX"
Origin. derived from the French Moulin
(meaning "mill of the waters")
Region of origin. France

Apparently his family had been part of the (very rich and powerful)  English community on mainland Europe:-

Molyneux, Daniel (1568–1632), herald, was born in Bruges, Flanders, second son of Thomas Molyneux (qv) of Calais and his wife Katherine, daughter of Ludowick Slobert, burgomaster of Bruges. His father had been a member of the English community at Calais and had settled in Bruges after Calais fell to France in 1558.

A Burgomaster was chief magistrate or executive of a city or town.

Daniel Molyneux was born in 1568, in Brugge, West Flanders, Belgium, his father, Thomas Molyneux, was 37 and his mother, Katherine De Bruges, was 32. He married Jane Usher in 1597, in Dublin, County Dublin, Ireland. They were the parents of at least 5 sons and 5 daughters. He died in 1632, in Newry, County Down, Ireland, at the age of 64.
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https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/KLY7-4RB/daniel-molyneux-1568-1632
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There's a webpage re the powerful Usher family of Britain:-

http://www.the-house-of-usher.co.uk/history.htm
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From the mid 1500s England had Henry VIII who turned against the Roman Catholic Church because they wouldn't allow him to divorce and marry who he wanted so he set up his own Church of England.  Northern Ireland was part of the United Kingdom but Southern Ireland (Eire) was a Catholic country, which was reflected in their laws.

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The surname appears to mean a place as shown on this webpage:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_(surname)#:~:text=Wind%20is%20a%20topographical%20surname,pathway%2C%20alleyway%2C%20or%20road.

Unfortunately you have the same problem as me with one of my lines, where the Vicar was so lazy he couldn't even be bothered to write full words

I should think the parents of the baby were married.  When a mother of a baby was not married her name would be recorded against the name of the baptised baby.  I have a Catholic document where the priest made a note in the margin of a baby he had baptised which was "The couple have promised to marry within the year"..  The mother was a young teenage girl and presumably her parents had forbidden the marriage.

The first baby would probably be born with the help of the maternal grandmother, hence you might find the first baby born in a different town/village or even different county.  I have one pregnant bride who travelled from London up to Yorkshire for the birth of her first baby.

The English and the Scots had a similar naming pattern, which could mean that the baby's maternal grandmother was named Margaret and the baby's paternal grandfather was named Thomas Wind.

 1st son named after paternal grandfather (patGF)
2nd son named after maternal grandfather (matGF)
3rd son named after father (F)
4th son named after father’s eldest brother (patB)
5th son named after mother’s eldest brother (matB)

1st daughter named after maternal grandmother (matGM)
2nd daughter named after paternal grandmother (patGM)
3rd daughter named after mother (M)
4th daughter named after mother’s eldest sister (matS)
5th daughter named after father’s eldest sister (patS)

My paternal grandfather didn't have a family given name, he carried the full name of a family friend who couldn't have any children.

I have one family story of one spinster working as a maid who hid her baby in a drawer.  I found that mother working as a maid with three other spinsters in a large household, but no baby; presumably that was the household where the baby was hidden in a drawer..  The baby's father had been a sailor who perished at sea before the baby was born.

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Those middle names are a great help and as I have some mainland European ancestry I found that they too had a similar naming pattern to Britain which is a great help when tracing earlier generations.  My late OH had one female ancestor who had many daughters and when I looked at earlier census I could see that after she had used all her family names she started to give her daughters names of herfemale  friends!!

Have a look at the common naming patterns on this web page :

-https://www.family-tree.co.uk/how-to-guides/how-to-use-naming-patterns-to-find-your-ancestors/

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Scotland / Re: exceptional service
« on: Wednesday 03 April 24 22:00 BST (UK)  »
I agree ;  I've always found scotlandspeople extremely efficient.  I have only once had a copy document that I was unable to read and the staff re-acted extremely quickly, sending me a new copy plus typing out the wording :-)

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Question mark?
« on: Tuesday 02 April 24 23:26 BST (UK)  »
I'm glad somebody has brains - I was puzzling over the scribble for ages trying to find a similar image.

So "congratulations all round".

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The Stay Safe Board / Re: Diary summary week ending 31st March 2024
« on: Monday 01 April 24 15:36 BST (UK)  »
Oh dear RTL, I'm almost reliving the stress levels.  My sons and then my grandsons played video games and were desperate to be on the same game level as their classmates.  One game that my youngest son had was a football/soccer game in which his team played the computer.  Son chose all the best football players but couldn't understand why the computer kept winning.  Until it dawned on him that he was choosing excellent attacking footballers and not one defenders. 

In earlier years, my brothers and I competed against our father at draughts.  It was quite annoying his taking safety in the corners and we hadn't worked out how to stop him taking that action..

Until one very precious day when I was ten years old I won - I actually WON the game and beat my dad - my younger brothers followed suit - they didn't beat our dad until they were ten years old either.  That's when we learnt the old adage of "If at first you don't succeed, try, try, try again".

Oldest son and his family visited bearing daffodils, chocolates and a cake.  As her mother is usually left at home working when she visits, the one year old was very keen to show her mum what she could do and tinkled on the piano loudly singing "Old MacDonald Had A Farm" until her mother eventually acknowledged how well she could sing.

I've just had a 'phone call from daughter discussing her proposed visit today and as her route involves the very busy A59, which is even busier since the new housing estate was built, that we decided to leave the visit until another time.

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The Stay Safe Board / Re: Diary summary week ending 31st March 2024
« on: Thursday 28 March 24 20:33 GMT (UK)  »
Just to change the subject  folks, I went to Chelmsford Catherdral today for the chrism  service, always very nice, went by bus and it took me 2 3/4   hours, whilst there I sat next to an up and coming curate telling  her about what church I came from, after the service the woman in  front asked me was I talking about a  such and such a place, anyway to cut a long story short her forebears worshipped  at the church I attend,  she wanted to come back for a blessing for  her 50th anniversary this year, I spotted my priest and I said we should speak to him, I asked her what her surname was, would you believe  it was the same as my surname,  we were both astonished, but I knew the name as we have one of her family on a memorial, so I took her to meet my priest and they will be in touch, my 93 year old friend knew this family ,  I am going  to try to persuade her to come to our church to show her pictures of her family we have at the chuch, what a coincidence?

LM

That's amazing LM !!!

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