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Simon's mother was Rose Hannah Goodrum b1857 in Acle, Norfolk to George & Hannah Goodrum.  By 1871 Rose was with her mother & siblings in Winlaton, Durham, and in January 1875 gave birth to Simon at 4 Victor Street, Thornaby, on the border of Durham & Yorkshire.

Simon was illegitimate, but his name does seem to give quite a few clues as to his father's identity.

I initially thought Rose had used the traditional naming convention all in one go and found a Frederick Greenacre in Norfolk along with his father Simon, but couldn't find any evidence of them ever being in the North East. 

A newspaper search then turned up two reports of a Simon Greenacre being brought before the Police Courts in Stockton South (aka Thornaby) in 1873 & 1875, and from there I found a census record of a Simon Greenacre aged 18 lodging at St Thomas Terrace, Winlaton in 1871 - exactly when Rose had been living there.  His place of birth was given as 'Flagsburgh, Norfolk' which I take to be Fleggburgh, about 4 miles from where Rose was born, and there is a birth for Simon Greenacre in July qtr 1852 in Fleggs, Norfolk, which I take to be him.

I know all of Rose's story after this and also what happened to 'baby' Simon, but Simon Snr seems to drop off the radar entirely.  There's a possible marriage in Poplar in 1877 and the 1909 death in Yarmouth looks a possibility too, but I cant find him anywhere on the census after 1871.  Given his history I've also tried looking for criminal records etc too but again drew a blank.

So now I'm completely flummoxed!  Have I got the right father?  If not who else could it be?  And if I am right then where did he vanish to between being up court shortly after Simon's birth in 1875 and his possible death in 1909.  Is that even his death?

Help!

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Durham / Durham CRO Hidden Depths collection - general question
« on: Sunday 18 May 14 21:40 BST (UK)  »
Sorry to be forever posting for help - don't think I'll ever shed these L Plates!

I have a death certificate for Henry Cheesmond / Cheesemond who was killed in a mining accident at Leasingthorne in January 1920. The certificate says a coroners inquest was held on 9th or 10th Jan, but unfortunately those records seem to have been destroyed.

I cant find anything about the accident or inquest in the British Newspapers records either, which seems odd as in 1911 he was inn keeper at The Ship Inn, Middlestone and was also active in the Durham Miners Association, so he would have been quite well known.

There are, however, some records in the Hidden Depths collection at Durham CRO (different ones under each spelling) & I wondered if anyone had ever accessed these records before and what kind of information they might include.

Many thanks



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Durham / Gwen Morgan, Stockton, Durham. I know where she is, but where is she?
« on: Sunday 18 May 14 17:51 BST (UK)  »
Trying to find Gwen Morgan, born Aberdare / Aberaman, Glamorgan (Merthyr Tydfil registration district) about 1871/2 but was living in Stockton, Durham by 1881 (recorded as Ghwen).

She is still in Stockton in 1891 (transcribed as Gula Moyan aged 20), but I cant find her after that. 

I've found the following 1914 obituary for her half-brother which to me suggest that she stayed in Stockton and married someone called McMahon.

Can anyone else find either a marriage, census or death record for her after 1891?

ADDED: I know she was still alive in August 1923 from her mother's obituary (her deceased children weren't mentioned).

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Durham / Help finding the final two of 16 children please
« on: Sunday 11 May 14 19:46 BST (UK)  »
The 1911 census confirms that John Thomas Winter (b Houghton 1860) and Ruth Leadbetter (b Benfieldside 1862) married in 1879 and had 16 children, 13 of which were still alive.

I've found most of them via BMD & census records but am struggling with the last two, who I assume must have been born and died within census years (the third death is Ada Elizabeth in 1903).  The children I have so far are (deep breath):

Mary Isabella (Jan 1880), Alice (Oct q 1881) & Ada Elizabeth (Apr q 1883) -  Houghton Le Spring

Ruth (Jan q 1885) - Ebchester

John George (Jan q 1887), James Chadwick (Mar 1888), Robert Christopher (Jan q 1890), Thomas Snowball (Jan q 1891), Joseph Ernest (Apr q 1893) &  Albert Edward (Apr q 1894) - all Allendale Cottages.

William (Mar 1897), Samuel Taylor (Dec 1901) & Elsie (Jan q 1904) - Cornsay

Edith (Oct q 1906) - Chester le Street.

The obvious gap seems to be before & after William, and after ruling some out I think I have three possibilities, all in the Lanchester registration district:

Christopher 1895-1896,  Rochester 1898-1898 & Lillian May 1899-1900.

The first two don't feel right - Christopher has already been used as a middle name and Rochester just doesn't sound right for a mining family.

Can anyone help me either rule in / out any of the above, or perhaps provide some alternatives. 

Many thanks in advance

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Northumberland / John Winter b Hexam c1820 - where did his mother go?
« on: Thursday 08 May 14 23:42 BST (UK)  »
Can someone please help un-muddle me as my brain has simply ceased to function anymore!

In 1840 John Winter Snr aged 40 is at Stubby Lea, Hexham with the following children (no wife):

John 20, William 14, Ann 11, Michael 8, Matthew 6 & Thomas 2.  Dinah Winter aged 65 is also living with them.

The younger children were all baptised at Whitley by Hexham and their mother is stated as Mary Lee / Mary.  However, the only record I can find for John's baptism is October 1919 - also at Whitley by Hexham - which states his mother to be Isabella Hunter.

A John Winter married an Isabella Hunter on 21 March 1819 in Hexham
A John Winter also married a Mary Lee at Allendale on 16 April 1826.

I therefore presumed that Isabella must have died between 1820 & 1826, but the only death record I can find is in 1840. ???

Mary Lee died in 1839 and John then appears to have married a Mildred Bell (Mildred Curry) in 1844 and had two further children.

Can anyone please either find Isabella's death or come up with some other clue as to where she went ?

Many thanks in advance

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / A date for George please
« on: Monday 05 May 14 16:38 BST (UK)  »
This relates to the following posting (hope I'm doing this right!):

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=685788.new#new

George Morgan b 1888 Stockton Durham England then moved to Ohio in 1909.  I have been unable to trace his death, and as this photograph is the last 'sighting' of him I'm trying to work out roughly when it was so I know to concentrate only on dates after that.  George is on the right, without the hat.

EDIT: I should more accurately say I'm TOLD that George is on the right but I cant say for certain.  On his arrival to the US George was described as "5'8", dark complexion & hair, blue eyes.


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United States of America / Brick Wall - George Morgan Ohio death c1920
« on: Friday 02 May 14 20:58 BST (UK)  »
For some reason George has become far more than just a name, so I would really appreciate any help in finding George so I can finally lay him to rest & say goodbye.

George Morgan b 15 Feb 1888 in Stockton, Durham, England, although he sometimes claimed to be from Wales.

According to his birth certificate his father was Henry T Morgan b 8 Jan 1845 in Aberaman,  Glamorgan, but this is impossible as Henry deserted the family around 1879 and remarried on 31 Dec 1887 in Cuyahoga, Ohio.

By 1901 George was living at 365 Cardiff Rd, Aberaman with his older brother James, both miners.

James emigrated to Ohio in 1903, and prior to that their older sister Maria settled in Cuyahoga, Cleveland, Ohio, where she initially ran a saloon with her first husband, Jacob H Schwab and then her second husband David W Lewis.  I have fully traced both James & Maria.

On 21 Nov 1909 George arrived at New York giving his forwarding address as c/o Maria Lewis, The Saloon, Newburgh (?) Cleveland.  In 1910 George is lodging with Maria along with their mother Ann (nee Davies) in Cuyahoga.

On 2 June 1913 Maria married Llewelyn Davies and both gave their address as 4006 E 93rd St, Cleveland, Ohio.

I have a photograph of George - date unknown - on which the address 4006 E 93rd St has been written.  This is the last time I have been able to trace him.

Family legend is that George was killed in crossfire somewhere in Cleveland and my mother is adamant that she has seen a newspaper clipping confirming this, although I have been unable to trace any such newspaper article.  I have also obtained certificates for all Cuyahoga deaths around this time and cannot find him.

My current line of thought is that perhaps he was involved in something to do with illegal alcohol around the time of prohibition, but apart from a few newspaper clippings that mention someone of the same name within Ohio (but not Cleveland / Cuyahoga), I have been unable to confirm this. 

If anyone can help me to find George I will be eternally grateful. 




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Durham / Robert Jackson death 1873 - hmmm, not sure - what else can I check?
« on: Saturday 26 April 14 15:53 BST (UK)  »
Robert Jackson died at 17 Thompson Street, Stockton, Durham on 19 June 1873, aged 48.  Death was notified by George Jackson of the same address. 

I'm trying to establish whether this is the Robert Jackson who was baptised 27 Nov 1825 at Skerne, nr Great Driffield, East Yorks.

Until 1871 Robert is definitely in Great Driffield but some time before 1881 three of his children - George William (1847), Jane (1852) and Dinah (1855) moved to Stockton / Thornaby.  A fourth child, William (1850) stayed in E Yorks working on the Sledmere Estate.

I can't find Robert on any census after 1871 and as the 1873 death was notified by a George Jackson it does point to this being my man, BUT his occupation is given as general labourer whereas on the 1871 census and on the subsequent marriage certs for George William & Jane he is described as an Oil Miller.   This discrepancy makes me nervous, particularly as Jane marries an Oil Miller in 1877 and George William is also an Oil Miller by his marriage in 1882, so the family is clearly familiar with the trade. 

Also neither Jane nor George describe their father as deceased when they marry, and whilst I know this isn't proof of anything, it adds to my nervousness. 

Based on probability this would seem to be the right death for Robert but something just doesn't feel right - don't know why - so I'm trying to think of how else I might verify this.

I've looked at the 1871 census for Thompson Street but no surnames jump out as having any connection to the family, and when Jane marries in 1877 her address is just "Stockton".  By 1881 they are all living at Russell Street, Thornaby.  I've also looked for burials / gravestones but drawn a blank.

Can anyone suggest any other way I might verify that this is the right Robert Jackson, or am I destined to live with my uncertainty forever?

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The Common Room / WHORLTON / HONEYMAN Identity Confusion - theories please
« on: Sunday 20 April 14 21:10 BST (UK)  »
Ann Whorlton gave birth to an illegitimate son, George Whorlton, baptised in March 1818 at Hutton Rudby, Stokesley (N Yorks).  In August 1819 Ann married Thomas Honeyman, a weaver, and went on to have several more children.

In the 1840 census George is with his mother & stepfather and is recorded as George Honeyman.  Was Thomas the father all along - not sure - but George seems to have identity confusion for the rest of his life:

1841: Marries Hannah Simpson as WHORLTON
1841-1849 George & Hannah have at least three children - all christened as WHORLTON
1851 Census: Family recorded as HONEYMAN.  George is a licenced hawker.
1851-1860: At least five more children born, all christened WHORLTON
1861 Census: Family recorded as HONEYMAN.  George is now a Grocer & Draper.
1863-1865: Two more children born, both christened as WHORLTON
1871-1901 Census: Recorded as HONEYMAN. Occupation Grocer & Draper
1902: Death recorded as HONEYMAN

George's children seem equally confused, with some marrying under their birth name Whorlton and others marrying as Honeyman (I descend from Richard - born 1847 as Whorlton but married 1866 as Honeyman).  The males that married as Whorlton also seem to switch to Honeyman on the census but, like their father, christen the children as Whorlton.

I don't have all the certs but those I do have confirm the BMD names as above, and for each child on the census as Honeyman I've found a matching birth as Whorlton.

Permanently ditching one surname in favour of another I can understand, but try as I might I cant come up with a decent theory as to why the family kept switching between the two names - and not just one generation, but at least two.    ???

Any thoughts please?

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