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The Common Room / Re: Mary wall information from clare
« on: Friday 08 October 21 06:34 BST (UK)  »
Hi,
Other nephew and nieces named in the Will of Patrick Joseph Wall, jeweller,dated 1923:

Patrick Wall

Mrs Hanorah Gallagher

Mrs Anne Wall Beatty (or Beattie). Of Lowell, co Middlesex, Mass., USA. Widow died 3 Apr 1927

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The Common Room / Re: Mary wall information from clare
« on: Friday 08 October 21 06:04 BST (UK)  »
Hi,
There is a tree on A…….y.which summarises what has been found so far:

John Wall and Mary Hickey had the following children:
 
James b 1841 buried Trugh 1916 ( death notice in Melbourne paper by P J Wall, brother)
MARY  bap April 1847 Broadford.    See previous post   She married Martin Curtin
Patrick Joseph b ?1848  died 1923 aged 75 Melbourne Vic Oz father, John Wall.  (left will naming      nephews and nieces)

Please feel free to PM me. Gazania.

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The Common Room / Re: Mary wall information from clare
« on: Thursday 07 October 21 00:55 BST (UK)  »
I am back.
PREAMBLE: my gggrandmother is Mary Wall (1834? -  1885) b Clonlara to James and Mary Wall according to Oz records. No record has been found for her birth. She is possibly adopted.
In 1994, I visited Clonlara and met with James Wall (died 2o13) who had extensive knowledge of his Wall family of Clonlara and extended Wall family at Coolderra. And of those who migrated to the USA. Other relatives and my self have since researched the family.

The most pertinent piece of info I can give you with relation to what has been discussed so far on Rootschat is information from the Will of Patrick Wall who died in Melbourne. The Will is dated 1923.
Patrick is from Coolderra, originally.

Patrick was unmarried and his heirs are his nieces and nephews. One nephew is John CURTIN.  I hope this helps. According to James Wall, the money from the Will was used to build a house on the Coolderra Wall farm. James took me to the farm which was sold to Hannan. The house is now used as a barn. I have photos.

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The Common Room / Re: Mary wall information from clare
« on: Wednesday 06 October 21 12:51 BST (UK)  »
Hi, I do not want to get your hopes up but I have a connection to the Wall family in Clonlara.  It is bedtime here so I will search my notes in the morning and leave a reply.  In 1994 I visited Clonlara and I was shown a headstone in the Trugh churchyard.  A Wall from Coolderry went to Australia and left a will naming family back in co Clare.  I am in Australia,  fingers crossed, I can add some relevant information.  Gazania.

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Australia / Re: New Australia, Cosme settlements, Paraguay
« on: Wednesday 10 February 21 00:08 GMT (UK)  »
More: Google “Cosme Colony Collection” takes you to Uni of Sydney.  Copies of Cosme Monthly held a various Uni sites.

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Australia / Re: New Australia, Cosme settlements, Paraguay
« on: Tuesday 09 February 21 23:56 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,
I have family links to the topic. My computer is down  at the moment so I am unable to post my links.
In addition to previous posts, there is a current Facebook page. The newspaper, The Cosme Monthly?, is digitised and indexed at one of the Nsw unis. Births deaths and marriages can be found there. Try Googling name, Cosme and approximate date range.

 Also many of the settlers registered the births with the British Consul, and these appear in the overseas births of the British birth index. Certificates can then be purchased.

May I ask, what is your interest? Family or academic research.?
Regards, Gazania.

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The Common Room / Re: What a small world.
« on: Sunday 06 December 20 20:06 GMT (UK)  »
I have a story different from the topic.  We have a great uncle who made a name for himself and appears in some history books,   One. day, a local TV station announced a program where they were taking a relative of his, for trip down memory lane to places around the world where he had lived etc. 

We were very curious but we did not recognise this relative although he had the same very common surname.  My brother tracked the person down.  The funny thing was the more my brother explained our relationship etc, the more he seemed to be the one who was not a relative.

Any way the outcome was that the person had done his family research, but believed his family story that they were related.  A lot of disappointment but contact remained cordial.  The TV station dropped the idea for the program via their own research. A pity, I think my brother would have liked the trip.

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The Common Room / Re: Bastardy prone sub community - Wiltshire
« on: Tuesday 07 July 20 12:50 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for the links.

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The Common Room / Bastardy prone sub community - Wiltshire
« on: Monday 06 July 20 06:37 BST (UK)  »
In a recent episode of "Who Do You Think You Are", Oz version, the historian (in Wiltshire) explained the ancestor giving birth to an illegitimate child as being part of a "bastardy prone sub community" of the time  - 1765.  She then went on to explain that in this part of Wiltshire giving birth before marriage was a way of confirming the fertility and suitability of the woman for marriage, particularly in the economic sense.  To put it more crudely in my words "to try before you buy".

I have Googled the term: "bastardy prone sub community" and see that the term was coined much later by Laslett in the study of illegitimacy.

I would like to know, if anyone has come across this in practice in their research.

(The ancestor in question went on to have 4 illegitimate children and was jailed for 12 months on the birth of the 4th)  Thanks Gazania

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