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Leicestershire / Name Switching?
« on: Thursday 04 May 23 10:20 BST (UK) »
I have posted about this family before but I'm still confused about a change of name, which I cant seem to see why it has happened. There also seems to be a switching round of names on baptism records/marriage? or just a clerk error?
I have Jessica Barsby who marries Henry Manship 1839 Leicester St Margarets. Jessica states her father is 'John Barsby, Bracemaker'. Jessica states she is of Kent Street. Of full age, census gives her as born 1819 Leicester. Everything seems in order here, but there is no baptism for her. Her children's GRO records give her maiden name as Barsby.
It appears that Jessica has 3 other siblings and they are all actually baptised as Sharp and not Barsby.
Thomas Whittingham Sharp, baptised 1815, son of John Sharp and Mary, of Belgrave Gate, Leicester. John is a Framework Knitter.
Jane Sharp, baptised 1817, daughter of John Sharp and Mary, of Belgrave Gate, Leicester. John is a Framework Knitter.
Jessica Sharp, baptised 1819, daughter of John Sharp and Mary, of Belgrave Gate, Leicester. John is a Framework Knitter.
Another brother Rowland born c1824, No baptism has been found for him.
The only marriage I can find fitting all of this and connecting with the name changes is -
16 Aug 1815, Leicester St Margarets, John Barsby, Bachelor, of this parish and Mary Sharp, Spinster, of this parish. (Just to note, there appears to be no following baptisms under the name Barsby with parents as John and Mary)
Why have they seemingly baptised under Sharp if they were married as Barsby (Being the husbands name and why have the children reverted back?
In 1841, Rowland and Jane are still listed as 'Sharp' and are living with a 'John Whittingham Sharp' who is a bracemaker. I originally thought this was the father of these children but I now think he is the Uncle. Brother of their mother Mary Sharp. This John Whittingham Sharp was born 1789 Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire. He married Elizabeth Kellett in 1827 Leicester, but he is listed as a bachelor and not a widower (Which lead me to think he was not their father).
The first child Thomas Whittingham Sharp, b1815, next appears to marry in 1833 Leicester, to Hannah Hurst, but this time he is listed as 'Thomas Sharpe Barsby'.
Jane, b1817, next appears on the 1841 census living with John Whittingham Sharp, Rowland, and Johns other children and wife. I cant find her in 1851. In 1861 Jane is an unmarried cotton winder living in blackfriars, but this time she is given as 'Jane Sharp Barsby'. She dies 1853 Leicester St Margarets.
Jessica, b1819, marries Henry Manship as Jessica Barsby.
Rowland, b c1824, listed in 1841 as 'Rowland Sharp'. Marries in 1844 to Priscilla Eastwood. Listed as Rowland Sharp but lists his father as 'Dead', no name or occupation of father. (John Whittingham Sharp is still alive at this moment, So I don't think he is the father). Listed in the Leicester Chronicle in 1846 as 'Rowland Sharp Barsby'. Rowland then moves to Leeds, Yorkshire, where he is listed in census as 'Rowland Barsby'. On Rowlands 2nd marriage in 1873, he now gives his father as 'John Barsby'.
So we have all children baptised as Sharp but then changing to Barsby when they are older but retaining Sharp as a middle name.
I beleive their parents John and Mary die when the children are young and they then live with their uncle John W Sharp.
I think I have the parents burials but once again Im not sure if the switching of surnames as happened.
A Mary Barsby, dies 1825 St Margarets, wife of John Barsby. Aged 42, b c1783. There is also another burial for a Mary Barsby in 1826.
A John Barsby, dies in 1827 St Martins Leicester. aged 41, b c1786.
Going by the marriage of John Barsby to Mary Sharp and that the first child Thomas has the middle name of Whittingham. I think Mary is bapt 1791 Melton Mowbray. Daughter of Joseph Sharp and Elizabeth Whittingham. With John W Sharp bapt 1789. Parents die and then children live with uncle?
I'm just confused as to why they were possibly baptised under Sharp? A continuous clerk error? or they purposely said their name was Sharp even though married as Barsby? The children all revert to Barsby when they are adults and the ones who do list their father list him as 'John Barsby' not John Sharp.
I have Jessica Barsby who marries Henry Manship 1839 Leicester St Margarets. Jessica states her father is 'John Barsby, Bracemaker'. Jessica states she is of Kent Street. Of full age, census gives her as born 1819 Leicester. Everything seems in order here, but there is no baptism for her. Her children's GRO records give her maiden name as Barsby.
It appears that Jessica has 3 other siblings and they are all actually baptised as Sharp and not Barsby.
Thomas Whittingham Sharp, baptised 1815, son of John Sharp and Mary, of Belgrave Gate, Leicester. John is a Framework Knitter.
Jane Sharp, baptised 1817, daughter of John Sharp and Mary, of Belgrave Gate, Leicester. John is a Framework Knitter.
Jessica Sharp, baptised 1819, daughter of John Sharp and Mary, of Belgrave Gate, Leicester. John is a Framework Knitter.
Another brother Rowland born c1824, No baptism has been found for him.
The only marriage I can find fitting all of this and connecting with the name changes is -
16 Aug 1815, Leicester St Margarets, John Barsby, Bachelor, of this parish and Mary Sharp, Spinster, of this parish. (Just to note, there appears to be no following baptisms under the name Barsby with parents as John and Mary)
Why have they seemingly baptised under Sharp if they were married as Barsby (Being the husbands name and why have the children reverted back?
In 1841, Rowland and Jane are still listed as 'Sharp' and are living with a 'John Whittingham Sharp' who is a bracemaker. I originally thought this was the father of these children but I now think he is the Uncle. Brother of their mother Mary Sharp. This John Whittingham Sharp was born 1789 Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire. He married Elizabeth Kellett in 1827 Leicester, but he is listed as a bachelor and not a widower (Which lead me to think he was not their father).
The first child Thomas Whittingham Sharp, b1815, next appears to marry in 1833 Leicester, to Hannah Hurst, but this time he is listed as 'Thomas Sharpe Barsby'.
Jane, b1817, next appears on the 1841 census living with John Whittingham Sharp, Rowland, and Johns other children and wife. I cant find her in 1851. In 1861 Jane is an unmarried cotton winder living in blackfriars, but this time she is given as 'Jane Sharp Barsby'. She dies 1853 Leicester St Margarets.
Jessica, b1819, marries Henry Manship as Jessica Barsby.
Rowland, b c1824, listed in 1841 as 'Rowland Sharp'. Marries in 1844 to Priscilla Eastwood. Listed as Rowland Sharp but lists his father as 'Dead', no name or occupation of father. (John Whittingham Sharp is still alive at this moment, So I don't think he is the father). Listed in the Leicester Chronicle in 1846 as 'Rowland Sharp Barsby'. Rowland then moves to Leeds, Yorkshire, where he is listed in census as 'Rowland Barsby'. On Rowlands 2nd marriage in 1873, he now gives his father as 'John Barsby'.
So we have all children baptised as Sharp but then changing to Barsby when they are older but retaining Sharp as a middle name.
I beleive their parents John and Mary die when the children are young and they then live with their uncle John W Sharp.
I think I have the parents burials but once again Im not sure if the switching of surnames as happened.
A Mary Barsby, dies 1825 St Margarets, wife of John Barsby. Aged 42, b c1783. There is also another burial for a Mary Barsby in 1826.
A John Barsby, dies in 1827 St Martins Leicester. aged 41, b c1786.
Going by the marriage of John Barsby to Mary Sharp and that the first child Thomas has the middle name of Whittingham. I think Mary is bapt 1791 Melton Mowbray. Daughter of Joseph Sharp and Elizabeth Whittingham. With John W Sharp bapt 1789. Parents die and then children live with uncle?
I'm just confused as to why they were possibly baptised under Sharp? A continuous clerk error? or they purposely said their name was Sharp even though married as Barsby? The children all revert to Barsby when they are adults and the ones who do list their father list him as 'John Barsby' not John Sharp.