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The writer has two forms of "I" or "J" (which he regards as one letter). The form used in this name is always used in "Item" and sometimes in "I" (the word). The other form is used in most of the names which we would spell with a "J", but is also used for the word "I" in several instances. In short, I believe there is no significance in which form is used, and the cousin's name is definitely Joane.

David

PS Looking at the whole document, he uses the form in cousin Busby in several instances of John as well. More support for her being Joane.

Hi David,

Thank you very much for looking in to this. The name Joane is quite interesting.

Both Richard Busby (Great Tew) in his 1539 will and Thomas Pymme ('Isledon' 'Islington') in his 1549 will mention a Jusynyan Rogers (an unusual name).

Thomas leaves most things to his cousin Thomas Pymme als Fryer/Frere after his wife Elizabeth's death.

Thomas Pymme's wife Elizabeth was the widow of John Busby (Burford) and in his will he leaves her and then their son Richard jr property in Burford. Thomas Pymme bequeaths her son Richard Busby the property in Burford.

In John Busby's will of 1530 he makes Richard Busby of Great Tew and John Bassett overseers. I believe John 1530 and Richard 1539 may have been closely related (perhaps even brothers but this is not confirmed).

Thomas Pymme 1549 mentions an Edward Bassett in his will as being a brother. One of the witnesses of Richard Busby's 1539 will was William Freer/Frere/Fryer. Richard's wife was called Joane.

There are alot of coincidences of names between the wills and I believe they are all related somehow. If Richard's wife Joane and Thomas Pymme's cousin Joane are the same person perhaps this explains why Thomas Pymme and Richard Busby both mention a Justynyan Rogers (neither confirm a relationship), but John doesn't him. Maybe the Rogers connection is via a Pymmes/Frere connection. John Busby's wife Elizabeth was his 2nd wife, I know nothing of his first other than she is buried in St Katherine's Chapel, Burford.

The relationships I am hypothesising are just supposition at the moment and I need to investigate more. Unfortunately parish registers start too late to record anything about them.

I am going to Guildhall to investigate Justynyan Rogers for clues as he was a citizen grocer of London. He married Anne/Agnes Haywood in 1547 (sister of Sir Rowland Haywood c.1520-1593) but may have had a previous wife or mother belonging to a Pymme/Frere/Busby family. Richard Busby leaves him property in Oxford and Thomas Pymme leaves him property in Cornhill London so I don't think he is a distant relation.

Thank you for your help.
Best wishes,
Emma

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I just wanted to say a huge thanks to all of you for taking the time to look through this to help with deciphering the name, I really appreciate your help.

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The first letter looks a lot like the ‘I’ of Item
The only name I can think of that might fit that shape, as it were, is Isaac, but really not sure.

Added…I agree, it is not a J. See James, Jacket & John elsewhere in will

I misread the post and thought the word 'jacket' had been snipped and placed next to the first word.  Now looking at the correct word.   ;)

Sorry, I didn't make it very clear, thank you for looking at it again :)

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It’s the end of the third line on the snip Shanreagh.

“Item to my cosyn I……

Thank you :) I forgot to update the notes! Thank you for taking a look :)

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I’m no expert but I don’t see the name John there.
There seem to be five characters in the word and I can’t see an ‘h’.

Could you do a larger snip please, not all of us have access to Ancestry.

Hi, thanks for taking a look. I will add a larger snip now :)

Can you indicate roughly ie 4th line etc where the Cosyn XXXXX appears on the snip.  There is another cosyn that I can see on the snip you have provided. By my counting there is no 16th row on the snip.....or am I going crazy?   :D

Sorry I should have updated my message, you are not going crazy, it was the 16th line of the whole will but the 3rd line of the snip as mckha489 said. Thanks for looking at it :)

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I think I can almost see Isaac. Certainly, the first letter is "I", possible the last letter is "c".

(Possibly those seeing "John" are looking at the first word "Cosyn" (cousin), with the "s" appearing to have a long stroke like a modern "h" - if that makes sense.)

I always use this guide for old law hands
https://sites.rootsweb.com/~oel/lawhandslg.html

Hi,
Thanks for taking a look and also thanks very much for the link, that is a really helpful guide :)
 

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I’m no expert but I don’t see the name John there.
There seem to be five characters in the word and I can’t see an ‘h’.

Could you do a larger snip please, not all of us have access to Ancestry.

Hi, thanks for taking a look. I will add a larger snip now :)

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The first letter looks a lot like the ‘I’ of Item
The only name I can think of that might fit that shape, as it were, is Isaac, but really not sure.

Added…I agree, it is not a J. See James, Jacket & John elsewhere in will

Thank you, it could be an I, it just doesn't seem to match with any other given names in the Busby family I am researching. In his will he calls Islington Isolden so perhaps is is a phonic name? Thanks for taking a look

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