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Sussex Lookup Requests / Anne Hesman of Steyning
« on: Saturday 29 April 23 21:11 BST (UK)  »
My ancestor Richard Clement [of Pulborough] married Anne Hesman at Fittleworth on 2 May 1722. On the parish register entry he is described as being "of the parish of Pulborough" and she is described as being "of Steyning".

I have been able to find Richard's christening but I'm stuck on Anne.

Is anyone able to pinpoint a possible christening for Anne?

Many thanks
Matt

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I thought Alchine too, before reading Bookbox's reply.

I have looked at the will again and agree with you and Bookbox.

Many thanks for the help.

Matt

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What looks like a b is, as you thought, a ‘sigma-type’ s, for shillings. So the amounts are 3s. 4d and 20s.

Susane Alchine (I think)

Larrannce Searll (presumably = Laurence)

Brilliant. I did think that it probably was shillings but I haven't seen it written that way much before. Luckily in my notes I have transcribed that bit as 20 shillings but with a [?] at the end.

Thank you for the names as well. Alchine is close to what I had - "Achin" so I wasn't far off lol!

Many thanks again for the help.

Matt

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Hi all

I am hoping someone can help me decipher some of the names or bequests in this will from 1617. I can read most of it fairly well and the names are pretty much all decipherable apart from one or two.

I am stuck, however, with a few bits and odd words here and there so I hope people can help here.

In the first image here Richard leaves to his wife Elizabeth XXb now I know that's not pence as it would be XXd so what value would that be? 20 shillings?

He leaves to the poor of the parish iiib iiiid which seems to be 3 shillings 4 pence so on this basis I presume his bequest to Elizabeth is in shillings. Correct me if wrong.

In the second image here at the top line he mentions his goddaughter Susan. Can anyone work out her surname? I think it begins with "A" but I am struggling with it.

Lastly in the final image he appoints two friends as overseers. The second name is William Stenning [you can only see "Stenn" but I suspect that's the full name] but can anyone work out the first one? It looks like Lorraine something but I don't think that is right.

Thank you in advance for any help here

Matt

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with Latin
« on: Friday 14 April 23 12:21 BST (UK)  »
No need for further responses to this post as Bookbox has solved it for me in a previous post I'd forgotten about.

Matt

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with Latin
« on: Friday 14 April 23 12:19 BST (UK)  »
Matt, I did this one for you a few days ago ...
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=871794.msg7430722#msg7430722

Hi there

Yes I thought it had been done lol! I posted this and then thought "I'm sure I have put this up already".

Must have been having a daft moment lol!

Thanks for the link.

Matt

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Help with Latin
« on: Thursday 13 April 23 01:13 BST (UK)  »
I'm hoping someone here might be able to help with the Latin in this document which I think comes from a case in the Court of the Exchequer or the Court of Chancery

Many Thanks

Matt

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Kent / Re: Alice Hen[d]ley of Cranbrook
« on: Thursday 13 April 23 00:59 BST (UK)  »
Yes Matt, that is my reading . .  .  with the addition that Thomas Henley's daughter Alice cannot have been the Alice who married Thomas Sheffe - for the reason I gave : statements in BOTH her parents' wills make this impossible.
Whilst it is by no means proof, the only Alice left seems to be John Henley's daughter !
Cheers
Martin

Hi Martin

I'm glad I understood your message correctly as I had to read it a few times. Now, after reading this message, I am confused again though.

You say that Alice Henley dau of Thomas cannot be the one who married Thomas Sheaffe, and that by conclusion the only other candidate is Alice daughter of John.

Are Thomas and John related? Are they brothers or cousins?

Like I said before I have not looked at this family in many years so I am not sure where the line fits in lol!

Matt

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Kent / Re: Alice Hen[d]ley of Cranbrook
« on: Wednesday 12 April 23 01:17 BST (UK)  »
I am pretty certain that I have solved the mystery of Alice who married Thomas Sheffe.

I posted this in Wikitree recently . . .

Alice the daughter of Thomas Henley and Joan Shoyswell was married to Edward Horden and Joan's will dated 1508 referes to her as the wife of Edward Horden. But Alice had to have married Thomas Sheffe before then, as they were already having children.

HOWEVER, Thomas' older brother John (rarely mentioned) also had a daughter Alice and, for her, the dates work because she didn't have a husband before she married Thomas Sheffe. Her birth date is unkown. She seems to be the only Alice Hendley who could have been Thomas' wife.

Now we come to the inevitable muddle when assigning wives, two of whom were called Mary, to a succession of men all called John Henley.

Sometimes the oldest John Henley that I know of is said to have married Mary Mercy (Forster) and there are other variations.

I believe that the correct assignations are actually as follows . . .

John Henley (Will dated 8 November 1472, Proved 2 December 1472), the brother of Thomas Henley (who died in 1496) married Mercy (maiden name uncertain). This 1472 date keeps cropping up (it has been stated as the death date of all 3 John Henleys) but I have only seen the one document sourcing it - the will above. Family Search states, un-sourced, that this John Henley married Mercy Daniels. I have found no corroboration, nor anything to deny this assertion.

John's (above) father John Henley (approx 1400 - 1472) married Mary Braley. He could well have died in the same year as his son as the younger John was only 32 when he died.

John's (above) father John Henley (no dates for him at the moment) married Mary Forster

That's all I have - would be delighted if anyone can fill in any of my gaps !

I've not looked at this family for several years myself as I became unsure of the Sheaffe/Sheafe link on my tree but at the moment that is neither proven nor disproven.

Let me check I have read this correctly. Starting with the earliest people we have

John Henley who married Mary Foster. They were the parents of

John Henley [c1400-1472] who married Mary Braley. They in turn were the parents of

John Henley [died 1472 leaving a will] who married Mercy Daniels
Thomas Henley who died 1496

Both this Thomas [d1496] and John [d1472] had daughters named Alice. One of whom married Thomas Sheaffe/Sheffe.

Beyond this I don't have anything else to add yet but it would be good to know if this is how the tree fits together. If I do find anything else out I will let you know.

Matt

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