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US Lookup Requests / Re: Marriage lookup please - Otsego, New York
« on: Sunday 05 June 22 13:06 BST (UK)  »
I've just found Ruth Priscilla born 1844's marriage certificate, in Hailsham.  She married Samson Smith, a sailor.  Her father is Samuel Sturt and is a Shoemaker.  No suggestion he is dead or a toll gate keeper which is odd.  The witnesses are Edwin Thomas and Eliza Sturt so tying her into the right familly. 

I found the baptisms for the children born around 1840 in East Hoathly but could not find any baptisms in Hailsham for the later (Ruth onwards) children.  Strange, although this family dips in and out of non conformity so need to check elsewhere too.

Kerry

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US Lookup Requests / Re: Marriage lookup please - Otsego, New York
« on: Sunday 05 June 22 12:31 BST (UK)  »
Am I missing something (highly likely).   :D

East Sussex birth and baptisms
Samuel Sturt, spouse Ann Sturt
Samuel’s occupation appears to be Shoemaker
Parish Hailsham
Child Louisa Sturt
13 Jan 1863

Surname does appear to be Sturt.

Note: next to the record was PB.  Would Louisa’s birth/baptism be recorded long after Samuel left England?  Were there two Samuel Sturts, shoemaker, married to Ann?

Lisa

I've not seen that one, I will go and look for it.  It could be that she had a child by another man but pretended her husband was still around.  I've had that before!  Or something else.

Thanks

Kerry

Added - Checked the General Registers Office and the only Louisa that is registered for birth is the one I have already, Ann Louisa in 1851.  I think as I couldn't find baptisms for any of the Hailsham children, for some reason some 12 years later she was baptised. 

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US Lookup Requests / Re: Marriage lookup please - Otsego, New York
« on: Sunday 05 June 22 12:14 BST (UK)  »
You are basing his place of birth on the 1851 census.

In 1841 it just says born in County. This is your last known sighting of him with his wife.

Child Walter William born 1854 last known child of the parents, at least that is how he was registered.

They were having children together before they married 8 May 1842 Brighton.

East Hoathly Parish Records - all baptized the same day all before they officially married 2 weeks later in a different town.
24 April 1842
John Terry son of Ann Terry ( so he wasn't Samuel's child)
Jacob Henry Sturt son of Samuel and Ann Sturt - shoemaker
Mary Elizabeth Sturt  ditto
George Jason Sturt   ditto
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Hi Amondg

OOh I missed the fact that there are children born before they married in 1842.  Although I have other reservations about the marriage, perhaps that distracted me.  I am not 100% comfortable with the marriage being in Brighton which seems a distance from East Hoathly and Hailsham.  Not impossible but left me with a feeling.  I will relook at that marriage, also I need to find Ann's baptism.  I have births from civil registration entries, not certs for Jacob known as Henry on census returns, Mary and George but I've not seen John before.  I will look for him.  I guess I need to find a death for him too before 1841 possibly. 

Kerry

Added - Just found the above baptisms on the East Hoathly records on Anc, confirms that between 1842 and 1844 when Ruth and Naomi were born the family moved to Hailsham, as no more baptisms in East Hoathly.

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US Lookup Requests / Re: Marriage lookup please - Otsego, New York
« on: Sunday 05 June 22 12:05 BST (UK)  »
The story so far:  Samuel Sturt was born about 1813 in East Hoathly in Sussex, England, baptism not found but those of his siblings have.  He married Ann Terry in Brighton, Sussex in 1842 and they had a number of children, some of whom died very young.  I have the 1841 census where Samuel age 25 is a shoemaker.  Then in the 1851 census he is staying in the Kings Head Inn, Uckfield, is a Toll Gate Keeper and is 37.  The rest of the family are in Hailsham where Ann is a Turnpike Gate Keeper.  I found a newspaper article of 1851 which tells how he is Toll Gate Keeper of Hailsham and he took someone to court for evasion of tolls.  There is a further story of evasion of tolls in 1854 again he is Toll Gatekeeper of Hailsham.  Then there is nothing more for him.

The 1861 and 1871 census have Ann with family and described as widow but no death has been found for Samuel, although I have not given up on that search.  But a number of ancestry trees have him next found in Otsego with Sabra from 1857 (birth of Ruth) onwards.  His naturalisation record of 1869 has him of Sussex, England.  Every census record I have found has his place of birth as England.  His will of 1880 makes no mention of any family back in England.  He was in Virginia by that point. 

Taking a short break from gardening and just “thinking out loud”….  ;)

Is there any possibility that Samuel the toll gate keeper was a different Samuel?  Could your Samuel have either died by/around 1851 or left England prior to 1851?

I wonder if Samuel changed his name after 1841, providing that your Samuel wasn’t the gate keeper.

Are there any surname spellings besides Sturt, Stuart, Strut and Streeter that you have run across.

Morning both, I am going to reply to each email as I go, my brain has packed up, gone on holiday and I am still barely functioning.

Just been back and looked at the 1851 census for Samuel Sturt at the Kings Head, it says he was born East Hoathly, so he is the correct one in terms of the one born about 1813, East Hoathly. 

Lots of different spellings of Sturt - Stuart, Start the spelling from a couple of generations back before Samuel. 

In 1844 Samuel remained a Cordwainer.  I have the birth certificates for two of his daughters, Ruth Priscilla and her twin Naomi who died after the day after her birth.  I have the death certificate too.  Daughter of Samuel Sturt and Ann Sturt formerly Terry, of Hailsham.   

There is every possibility that Samuel died between 1851 and 1861, a number of Ancestry trees have him in US as stated but doesn't mean they are wrong.  I had a brief look for a death but haven't looked thoroughly.  I will continue to search other options.

Kerry

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US Lookup Requests / Re: Marriage lookup please - Otsego, New York
« on: Saturday 04 June 22 17:04 BST (UK)  »
Lisa and polar bear

Thank you for your responses and sorry I have not replied till now.  I've been laid low all week by a bad cold and a hacking cough.  All this social isolation from covid stuff has meant everytime I come into contact with one of my nephews and they have a cold, I go down with it and its bad.  Anyway on to Samuel Sturt.

The story so far:  Samuel Sturt was born about 1813 in East Hoathly in Sussex, England, baptism not found but those of his siblings have.  He married Ann Terry in Brighton, Sussex in 1842 and they had a number of children, some of whom died very young.  I have the 1841 census where Samuel age 25 is a shoemaker.  Then in the 1851 census he is staying in the Kings Head Inn, Uckfield, is a Toll Gate Keeper and is 37.  The rest of the family are in Hailsham where Ann is a Turnpike Gate Keeper.  I found a newspaper article of 1851 which tells how he is Toll Gate Keeper of Hailsham and he took someone to court for evasion of tolls.  There is a further story of evasion of tolls in 1854 again he is Toll Gatekeeper of Hailsham.  Then there is nothing more for him.

The 1861 and 1871 census have Ann with family and described as widow but no death has been found for Samuel, although I have not given up on that search.  But a number of ancestry trees have him next found in Otsego with Sabra from 1857 (birth of Ruth) onwards.  His naturalisation record of 1869 has him of Sussex, England.  Every census record I have found has his place of birth as England.  His will of 1880 makes no mention of any family back in England.  He was in Virginia by that point. 

My task is to try to prove or disprove that this is the same Samuel Sturt, and obviously the marriage record would be a good one, and also birth certificate for Ruth might give a clue.  I'll check those links polarbear thank you, maybe when my brain is functioning a bit more normally.

If anyone can think of any other way of proving this, please feel free to chip in!

Kerry

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US Lookup Requests / Re: Marriage lookup please - Otsego, New York
« on: Monday 30 May 22 10:08 BST (UK)  »
That didn't help at all, I found Caroline on the 1855 with another daughter and her husband Edward Stockley.  Still in Otsego though.

Kerry

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US Lookup Requests / Re: Marriage lookup please - Otsego, New York
« on: Monday 30 May 22 09:57 BST (UK)  »
Hi Lisa

Thank you for searching.  No I haven't searched for the 1855.  If it helps on the 1860  Sabra is 31 years old and born in New York.  She is always with her mother, Caroline Ploss, sometimes Plass, age 71 in 1860 and she was born in what looks like it might be Conneticut. 

Kerry

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US Lookup Requests / Re: Marriage lookup please - Otsego, New York
« on: Sunday 29 May 22 15:00 BST (UK)  »
Actually, now having seen your note, I think I will look for the baptisms for the two children that might give a clue.

Kerry

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US Lookup Requests / Re: Marriage lookup please - Otsego, New York
« on: Sunday 29 May 22 14:57 BST (UK)  »
Oh bother!  Always the way, I thought that might sort out a little puzzle.  I shall havve to think again.  Thank you for looking anyway.

Kerry

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