George McDonagh-Finglas

[myluck!]

Thank you dathai

I was distracted by the Ellen and missed Alice!

It is sad that the two brothers died within a week in July 1916

I noticed that when Alice married one witness was Josephine McDonough
This is her with an address at the same road in 1911 - LINK aged 16

Lizzie McDonagh died aged 13 on Apr 19 1904 LINK

As the family stated that they had 12 children; either we have not found one or Lizzie noted above and Julia Elizabeth born 1890 were two people

In 1911 they stated that 10 were still living;
As we know Lizzie died in 1904, logically the other child was:
Mary born c1887 shown on the 1901 census; or
Julia Elizabeth bap 1890 (if she is not Lizzie!); or
another child we have missed
as all the others were alive in 1911 based on census returns or death records later.
Logically the other

[myluck!]

As Alexander McDONOUGH was shown as a widower in 1929, I wonder if this birth is his child?
Marriage in 1874 LINK not yet on line unfortunately to see spouse's and father's names
but there is a Margaret O'NEILL on the same page

Mary b. 1875 LINK

She married James KELLY on Jan 30 1899 LINK
Church records state her parents were Alexander and Margaret McDONNOUGH
Bride's parent's address: Finglas

Living at Residents of a house 15.6 in Prospect Avenue (Glasnevin, Dublin) LINK

and at house 49.7 in Prospect Avenue (Glasnevin, Dublin) in 1911 LINK
Arthur - ??
Joseph - b. Sep 01 1901 LINK d.?
James - b. Jul 04 1904 LINK
Bridget - b. Jun 28 1906 LINK

[LaurieMMG]

Hello!  We are the family of child number twelve, Thomas, born in 1916. (Definitely an old age child, Julia would have been 49!)

Thank you all for all your wonderful links and research.

One anomaly is the wedding record for 1929. Since the name of Julia's father is correct, it is unlikely that this is another Alexander McDonough-Julia Malone marriage. It seems much more likely that the transcriber was transcribing older records in 1929 and made a mistake, putting the current year in the left-hand box. Do you think this is possible?

Our family history says Alexander died in 1930 and Julia died in 1932, based on the gravestones that we have seen in the churchyard. The McDonough house was right next to the ruined church in Finglas. We visited it several times between 1980 and 2000, but we do not know if it stands there any longer.

One other question is that the family history has a sister named Sissy/Cecilia, but we have no mention of an Ellen/Elenor. I wonder if they could be the same person. Sissy married a man named Jack Hynes and had ten children.

We have a list of Mary and David McEvoy's children - sixteen in all, but we have only 11 names. We don't know what happened to any of that family.

We are in touch with the descendants of Alice and Patrick Matthews.

I'm trying to get in touch with the descendants of James via ancestry.com

The children, grand-children and great-great-grandchildren of William and Ruby Clark still live not too far from Finglas.

We lost touch with the family of Esther/Elsie who married Peter Williams.

We were in touch with the family of Edith and Walter Nugent until Thomas died, but we have their names and hope to track them down.

Please, if you get a chance, perhaps also look for Julia's sister Nannie/Annie, who married a man by the name of Sullivan. They had three children, Jack, Alice (did not marry) and Maggie. Maggie married a man named Nolan and had three children, Rita, another girl and Jack.

Thank you!

Family of twelve according to 1911 census link above

1 Mary - b.c. 1888
2 Lizzie - possibly Julia Elizabeth bap May 14 1890 link above
3 Alicia bap Oct 28 1892 link above
4 Josephine bap May 18 1894 link above
5 John bap Apr 1 1898 link above;
6 George bap Jan 26 1898 link above; b. Dec 31 1897 LINK
7 Elenor b.c. 1900 - there is a baptism of a Lucy b. Mar 11 bap Mar 24 1900? same child?
8 James b. Jan 02 1902 LINK
9 Esther b. Mar 20 1904 LINK
10 William b. May 07 1906 LINK
11 Edith b. Aug 26 1908 LINK

[myluck!]

Hi LaurieMMG and welcome to Rootschat

Firstly
One anomaly is the wedding record for 1929. Since the name of Julia's father is correct, it is unlikely that this is another Alexander McDonough-Julia Malone marriage. It seems much more likely that the transcriber was transcribing older records in 1929 and made a mistake, putting the current year in the left-hand box. Do you think this is possible?

This is not from a transcription, the actual record is available to view LINK

I believe that if you obtained the marriage certificate for Alexander McDonagh in 1874 that is not yet available on line you would find that he married Margaret O'Neill. (this is an available match on that page reference Dublin North 1874 Q- V17 P489)

I have given links earlier for the daughter of this couple and I think that Alexander did not marry Julia until old age.
Margaret may or may not have been living all along, sh may have been missing and therefore could not be assumed dead or it may be that they agreeably parted and he and Julia set up home as if married.
It would require a search for death certs and obtaining that 1874 marriage cert to be sure.

[myluck!]

Secondly
One other question is that the family history has a sister named Sissy/Cecilia, but we have no mention of an Ellen/Elenor. I wonder if they could be the same person. Sissy married a man named Jack Hynes and had ten children.

Very often a person was named Cissie purely because she was a sister!

[myluck!]

Mary McDONAGH m David McEVOY Feb 14 1909 LINK

On the 1911 census they have two children LINK

with them are the eldest two children Elizabeth bc1909 and Laurence b Aug 22 1910
on irishgenealogy.ie there is also shown Alexander b May 07 1912
There is a 100 year rule on birth records and no other births are shown on this site

[myluck!]

Please, if you get a chance, perhaps also look for Julia's sister Nannie/Annie, who married a man by the name of Sullivan. They had three children, Jack, Alice (did not marry) and Maggie. Maggie married a man named Nolan and had three children, Rita, another girl and Jack.

I presume that this is Julia MALONE's sister

I can see two brothers for her Edward 1864 and Michael 1878 but no sister
This makes deciding a timeline for a marriage difficult

Can you give an approx date of birth or date of marraige for Nannie

[LaurieMMG]

Thank you for the additional information! Annie is listed in the 1901 Census return for Peter Malone as age 18, making her birth around 1883.  Thank you!

[LaurieMMG]

Also, any help you could provide to find the birth record of Alexander McDonough would be greatly appreciated. I note that for several of his children the last name is misspelled McDonnell. Also, for the birth record of his son George Alexander he is listed as George Alexander, but does not appear with George as his first name anywhere else.

Thank you!