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UPDATE ON Mystery picture found near site of Canadian plane crash in Wales,
« on: Wednesday 09 November 05 22:01 GMT (UK) »
Hello all,

SUMMARY OF DATA FOUND SO FAR:

I’ve decided to use this board just for information found on the crew etc together with additional photographs.  If you have read the other board (it is now 9 pages long and growing!) this will summarise the information found to date.


My original posting is below so that any new people without the time to read all boards can get the gist of it together with the photographs found.  If you read the original you will see how much everyone in Roots has contributed and taken time out to place postings, ideas and information, all of which is greatly appreciated. 

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,101535.120.html


INFORMATION FOUND TO DATA.

Details of the crew
Name:   BURKE, JOSEPH PAUL ERNEST
Initials:   J P E
Nationality:   Canadian
Rank:   Sergeant (W.Op./Air Gnr.)
Regiment:   Royal Canadian Air Force
Age:   20
Date of Death:   20/11/1944
Service No:   R/206904
Additional information:   Son of William and Dorine Burke, of West Bathurst, Gloucester Co., New Brunswick. Canada.
Casualty Type:   Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference:   Sec. A. Grave 315.
Cemetery:   CHESTER (BLACON) CEMETERY

Name:   GROULX, JOSEPH ARTHUR EDMOND
Initials:   J A E
Nationality:   Canadian
Rank:   Sergeant (Air Gnr.)
Regiment:   Royal Canadian Air Force
Age:   22
Date of Death:   20/11/1944
Service No:   R/111476
Additional information:   Son of Arthur and Alexandrine Groulx, of Hull, Province of Quebec, Canada.
Casualty Type:   Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference:   Sec. A Grave 401.
Cemetery:   CHESTER (BLACON) CEME

Name:   DU SABLON, JOSEPH LIONEL UNDERIC
Initials:   J L U
Nationality:   Canadian
Rank:   Sergeant (Air Gnr.)
Regiment:   Royal Canadian Air Force
Age:   20
Date of Death:   20/11/1944
Service No:   R/174038
Additional information:   Son of Lionel Olivier and Mary Lea Du Sablon, of De Gaspe, Montreal, Province of Quebec, Canada.
Casualty Type:   Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference:   Sec. A. Grave 229.
Cemetery:   CHESTER (BLACON) CEMETERY

Name:   ALLISON, WILLIAM JOSEPH
Initials:   W J
Nationality:   Canadian
Rank:   Flight Lieutenant (Air Bomber)
Regiment:   Royal Canadian Air Force
Age:   28
Date of Death:   20/11/1944
Service No:   J/20861
Additional information:   Son of William Earle Allison and Mary Ruth Allison, of Montreal, Province of Quebec. Canada.
Casualty Type:   Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference:   Sec. A. Grave 143.
Cemetery:   CHESTER (BLACON) CEMETERY

Name:   VILLENEUVE, JULES ROBERT RENE
Initials:   J R R
Nationality:   Canadian
Rank:   Sergeant (Nav.)
Regiment:   Royal Canadian Air Force
Age:   22
Date of Death:   20/11/1944
Service No:   R/199834
Additional information:   Son of Jean B. Villeneuve and Clara Villeneuve, of Verdun, Province of Quebec. Canada.
Casualty Type:   Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference:   Sec. A. Grave 57.
Cemetery:   CHESTER (BLACON) CEMETERY

Name:   HAMEL, CHARLES
Initials:   C
Nationality:   Canadian
Rank:   Pilot Officer (Pilot)
Regiment:   Royal Canadian Air Force
Age:   21
Date of Death:   20/11/1944
Service No:   J/92169
Additional information:   Son of Dr. Paul Hamel, and of Bertha Ellen Hamel, of Montreal, Province of Quebec, Canada.
Casualty Type:   Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference:   Sec. A. Grave
Cemetery:   CHESTER (BLACON) CEMETERY
Flight History: Wales

FURTHER INFORMATION ON THE CRASH WAS FOUND ON ANOTHER SITE AS FOLLOWS:

Aircraft MF509 a Wellington MK10 took off from Stratford-Upon-Avon, satellite airfield to RAF Wellesbourne Mountford ( No22 Operational Training Unit) at 19.26 hours on Nov.20th 1944 for a night cross country navigation training exercise.. Shortly before 20.50 hrs the crew sent a radio message asking permission to go below cloud as they were having trouble with the starboard engine, perhaps due to icing in the carburetor. Permission was granted and as they descended over the mountains of the Brecon Beacons their aircraft flew into the South West slope of Carreg Goch. There is a small memorial at the crash site to honour the crew who died there.



UPDATE:

WE NOW HAVE  CONFIRMED INFORMATION ON THE MEN:
left to right, Hamel, Groulx, Burke, Allison, DuSablon, and Villeneuve
Anges Weild - Annan - married William Blenkinsop - Annan
Jane Scott, Roxborough who married William Hope (children, Wilhelmina Amelia, Horatio Nelson Trafalga Hope!) 
James Blenkinsop (born Dumfries)
James Blenkinsop (born Lancashire)
Wilhelmina Blenkisop (born Surrey) married Arthur Price (Wales)
Henry Reginald Price (Brecon, South Wales)
Evans (Coelbren, Wales)

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Re: UPDATE ON Mystery picture found near site of Canadian plane crash in Wales,
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 09 November 05 22:20 GMT (UK) »
William Allison attended Mc Gill University.  There is a project conceived and created by Chirstopher Milligan (Faculty of Education) and Wes Cross (Dean of Studend Office).  Their web site honours members of the University community who served in World War Two.

http://www.education.mcgill.ca/ww2fields/mcgill/
Anges Weild - Annan - married William Blenkinsop - Annan
Jane Scott, Roxborough who married William Hope (children, Wilhelmina Amelia, Horatio Nelson Trafalga Hope!) 
James Blenkinsop (born Dumfries)
James Blenkinsop (born Lancashire)
Wilhelmina Blenkisop (born Surrey) married Arthur Price (Wales)
Henry Reginald Price (Brecon, South Wales)
Evans (Coelbren, Wales)

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Re: UPDATE ON Mystery picture found near site of Canadian plane crash in Wales,
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 09 November 05 22:24 GMT (UK) »
William Allison University Record
Anges Weild - Annan - married William Blenkinsop - Annan
Jane Scott, Roxborough who married William Hope (children, Wilhelmina Amelia, Horatio Nelson Trafalga Hope!) 
James Blenkinsop (born Dumfries)
James Blenkinsop (born Lancashire)
Wilhelmina Blenkisop (born Surrey) married Arthur Price (Wales)
Henry Reginald Price (Brecon, South Wales)
Evans (Coelbren, Wales)

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Re: UPDATE ON Mystery picture found near site of Canadian plane crash in Wales,
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 09 November 05 22:30 GMT (UK) »
An article in the local newspaper about Eric Burke receiving information from the Mayor about Ernest. Please note that whilst Ernist is in the photograph with the other crew members, he is not the person in the single photograph found 60 years ago.

Anges Weild - Annan - married William Blenkinsop - Annan
Jane Scott, Roxborough who married William Hope (children, Wilhelmina Amelia, Horatio Nelson Trafalga Hope!) 
James Blenkinsop (born Dumfries)
James Blenkinsop (born Lancashire)
Wilhelmina Blenkisop (born Surrey) married Arthur Price (Wales)
Henry Reginald Price (Brecon, South Wales)
Evans (Coelbren, Wales)


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Re: UPDATE ON Mystery picture found near site of Canadian plane crash in Wales,
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 20 November 05 12:26 GMT (UK) »
I've scanned the buttons and shoulder badge at a higher resolution.  RCAF or RAF?  Are there any clues to the type of squad such as air gunner, navagator etc?

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Caroline
Anges Weild - Annan - married William Blenkinsop - Annan
Jane Scott, Roxborough who married William Hope (children, Wilhelmina Amelia, Horatio Nelson Trafalga Hope!) 
James Blenkinsop (born Dumfries)
James Blenkinsop (born Lancashire)
Wilhelmina Blenkisop (born Surrey) married Arthur Price (Wales)
Henry Reginald Price (Brecon, South Wales)
Evans (Coelbren, Wales)

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Anges Weild - Annan - married William Blenkinsop - Annan
Jane Scott, Roxborough who married William Hope (children, Wilhelmina Amelia, Horatio Nelson Trafalga Hope!) 
James Blenkinsop (born Dumfries)
James Blenkinsop (born Lancashire)
Wilhelmina Blenkisop (born Surrey) married Arthur Price (Wales)
Henry Reginald Price (Brecon, South Wales)
Evans (Coelbren, Wales)

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Re: UPDATE ON Mystery picture found near site of Canadian plane crash in Wales,
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 08 December 05 18:44 GMT (UK) »
With grateful thanks to Martha who visited the Archives we can now put the names to each of the men as follows:


Left to right, Hamel, Groulx, Burke, Allison, DuSablon, and Villeneuve


Caroline

Anges Weild - Annan - married William Blenkinsop - Annan
Jane Scott, Roxborough who married William Hope (children, Wilhelmina Amelia, Horatio Nelson Trafalga Hope!) 
James Blenkinsop (born Dumfries)
James Blenkinsop (born Lancashire)
Wilhelmina Blenkisop (born Surrey) married Arthur Price (Wales)
Henry Reginald Price (Brecon, South Wales)
Evans (Coelbren, Wales)