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Offline Burto

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Is a Higler an occupation?!
« on: Friday 11 November 05 12:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
Someone has just done a census search for me and one of  my ancestors is down as a Higler? Is this actually an occupation, or just a mis-spelling?
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Re: Is a Higler an occupation?!
« Reply #1 on: Friday 11 November 05 12:25 GMT (UK) »
Well, it should have two g's - Higgler.

The occupation would be like a small time dealer.

Not a direct relative, I have a Hannah Dean (née French) who was a poulterer during her younger years, but in 1891 at the grand old age of 74, (she could no longer chase the chickens?) Hannah turned up as a higgler.

I think of it as haggling! probably from the same original verb?

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Re: Is a Higler an occupation?!
« Reply #2 on: Friday 11 November 05 12:31 GMT (UK) »
Hi

That is just what this website http://cpcug.org/user/jlacombe/terms.html says - one who haggles or bargains or itinerant dealer, similar to a cadger

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Re: Is a Higler an occupation?!
« Reply #3 on: Friday 18 November 05 17:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
Someone has just done a census search for me and one of  my ancestors is down as a Higler? Is this actually an occupation, or just a mis-spelling?

Hi There,

There's a short story by A.E.Coppard, called "The Higgler". Its in his book of collected short stories; which I have somewhere here.

I believe its about a sort of "wheeler dealer". Does it also relate to selling eggs...or was that a "heggler"?

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Re: Is a Higler an occupation?!
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 24 December 05 05:51 GMT (UK) »
Burto,just checked that out on an old occupation's site,higler was in among my searches,itinerant trader,seem's to back up other answer's eh?
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Re: Is a Higler an occupation?!
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 24 December 05 09:06 GMT (UK) »
Hi Burto

higger, higgler - Pedlar, usually with a horse and cart. (Also called  a haggler. The word haggler, that is someone who bargains, comes from this name).

Ref: A dictionary of old trades, titles and occupations, Colin Waters, Countryside books, 2002.

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Re: Is a Higler an occupation?!
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 04 January 06 15:16 GMT (UK) »
I was interested in this occupation that I have found on census forms and was told that it was someone who was a small time dealer or haggler. However talking today to some South Lincolnshire pensioners with roots in farming over the age of 70 I was told that around these parts a higgler was a person that did work going from farm to farm ploughing and doing other work using his own horses & plough etc. He would now be a contractor with his own tractor, combine harvester etc.
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Re: Is a Higler an occupation?!
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 04 January 06 16:15 GMT (UK) »
 :)
 According to the Oxford complete wordfinder a higgler was another name for a haggler, which means to wrangle, higgle, bicker, bargin, barter,  negotiate .
But just to throw a spanner in the works , in the 19 century a hangman was sometimes referred to as higgler.
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Re: Is a Higler an occupation?!
« Reply #8 on: Monday 06 February 06 11:12 GMT (UK) »
Keith, you may be right about some 'higglers' being independent farm workers, as one of my ancestors was listed as a higgler, and his father had been a farmer - so that would make some sense.
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