Topic: Mary Jane Rivett (b.1857) in 1901 Census. Born in Norfolk.

[mike04]

Yes,

Its definately not an easy one to sort out. I'm not used to 2nd marriages etc. But I guess I will be soon.

Interesting.

Mike

[Tati]

Please don't take the 2nd 1851 for granted. Just a possible. I'm a little surprised now - I can see a matching John Hudson, a lodgr in Norwich Norfolk and - wait for it - he's a police officer now! I'm getting confused...

 

[Tati]

Don't know about them. I can't see Frances Hudson or Esther Hudson under that name in 1861, and by 1871 John Hudson is a widowed police detective.
Either 1851 was not the right Fanny or they just separated.

Tanja 

   

[Tati]

This could be Mary Jane's birth:
September quarter 1859
North Witchford registration district (Cambridgeshire)
Vol 3b p. 577

[mike04]

Hi Tanja,

Don't worry, I assume all these connections as mere possibilities at this point anyway. I appreciate your help. Any data is good data as far as I'm concerned.

I am trying to assemble that portion of the Rivett tree now...using what you've provided. Its a great leap from what I had before.

Sorry I don't have anything else to help. My family is the Birchall's with the Rivett name being an offshoot, though I am still interested in sorting the Fanny Rivett connection out.

Mike

[JDGen]

Hi Mike,

I've had a look at your Birchall's.  Can you let me know which you already have?

Jean

[mike04]

Hi Jean,

I will try.

My Grandfather was John Birchall (b.1882) . He had two brothers that I know of: Henry Jr. (Harry) (b.1886) and James (b.1889-d.1910), and a sister Lilly (b.1897). I have photos of this family. Their parents were Henry Birchall (b.1861) and Mary Jane (Rivett) (b.1859) (mar. April 7, 1881-no cert yet).

Henry's (b.1861) father was John Birchall (b.1822, Wigan) who was married to an Ann Unknown (b.1823, Newton-le-willows). Per www.familysearch IGI.

All of this info was assembled via census info of which I have 1901/1881 confirmed. I know the household was 9 Green Street in Farnworth during the later years.

Henry/Mary Jane, John, Henry, James, and Lilly(Lillian) all emmigrated to Chicago around 1908. I have them all living in one household in Chicago in 1910.

I have an 1851 census of a John (b.1823, Wigan) and Ann Birchall (b.1824), Newton. The ages and birthplaces seem correct matches (unsure of address). But, it indicates their children as: Margaret (b.1847, Wigan) and Ellen (b.1850, Bolton). I have not found confirmation of Margaret and Ellen as being siblings of those of John/Ann's other known children (Henry and  John B.)

I suppose an 1861 and 1871 census of the John/Ann household might include Margaret and Ellen but I don't have those years, at least not in front of me. I havn't done much on this in months and my data insn't as organized as well as it could be yet.

Hope this helps. Sorry if its a bit disjointed. I just havn't ordered birth certs on the Birchalls yet.

As I look at it, if I could connect Margaret and Ellen with the known brothers (Henry and John B.) that would be a great help, Then I could trace up the additional siblings trails.

Thanks

Mike



 

[JDGen]

Hi Mike,

Here they are in 1861, RG9 2807/91 Page 36 Green St, Farnworth:

John Birchhall [sic], Head, Mar, 39, Spinner Cotton Mill born Lancs Wigan
Ann Birchhall, Wife, Mar, 38, born Lancs Newton
John Birchhall, Son, 5, Scholar born Lancs Bolton
Henry Birchhall, Son, 1, born Lancs Farnworth
Margret Birchhall, Daur, 14, Weaver in Cotton Mill born Lancs Wigan
Ellen Birchhall, Daur, 11, Scabinger in Cotton Mill born Lancs Bolton

This is the order that they appear on the census image.

Jean

[JDGen]

Mike,

1871 RG10 3918/11 Page 14, 10 Green St, Farnworth (index says Berchenall):

John Birchenall, Head, Mar, 49, Overlooker at a Cotton Mill born Lancs Wigan
Ann Birchenall, Wife, Mar, 48, born Lancs Newton
John Birchenall, Son, 15, Cotton Piecer born Lancs Bolton
Henry Birchenall, Son, 11, Cotton Piecer born Lancs Farnworth

Jean