Researching John Howden HELEY b c1862

[EDO]

Dear Members,

Can anyone please assist me in finding the Birth Record of -

John Howden HELEY

John emigrated to Australia before 1885, where he married Mary Matilda GREENSILL.

Any snippet on John or his family will be greatly appreciated.

With sincere thanks

Bruce EDMONDS
Brisbane

[bedfordshire boy]

Hi Bruce

Do Australian marriage certificates, like English ones, give father's name? If so do you have it? Trying to pin him down using censuses.

Is there a Bedfordshire connection?

Regards

David

[EDO]

Hello David,

Thank you for your interest:  I lost your reply and have finally foound it again.

I do not have a positive link to Bedfordshire at this stage.  Also, Queensland archives are not the World's best!!  many, many complaints......

I will persevere with my researching.

Thank you once again

Regards

Bruce EDMONDS
Brisbane

[Barbasto]

I can provide info about John Howden Heley (1860-1929) including his Howden pedigree back to the 1700s. His parents were Robert Heley and Marion Howden.
9. MARION HOWDEN (1832-1887), of 23 Dublin Street, St Mary, Edinburgh (1851 – servant of Andrew Webster); 4 Nelson Street, Greenock West, Renfrewshire (1861); 108 Rose Street, St George, Edinburgh (1871); b 10 Mar 1832 Old Crichton Dean, reg 17 Jan 1834 Humbie, East Lothian, Scotland, d 2 Jan 1887 (age 54) Woolloongabba, Queensland (DQ B019484), m1/ (banns 7 Jul 1853 at Crichton, Midlothian and Greenock, Renfrew), ROBERT HELEY (son of William Heley), painter, b c.1826 England, d 1861/7. Issue: 5 (2m, 3f) -

[EDO]

Good morning Barbasto

Welcome to RootsChat:

 I feel sure that you will find your new colleagues very helpful and informative.

Thank you for providing me with the information on the HELEY family.

Would greatly appreciate more information that you offer back to the 1700s.

Sincerely

EDO
Brisbane Australia

[Barbasto]

George Howden (1767-1843), of East Peaston, Ormiston, E Lothian; carpenter and wheelwright; b 24 Apr 1767 Scotland, d 17 Apr 1843 (age 75) Scotland, m 11 Jul 1794 at Ormiston, Marion Bee (dau of John Bee and Jean Spears), b 22 Apr 1766, C 27 Apr 1766 Dalkeith, Midlothian, d 31 Aug 1846 (age 80). Issue: 8 (3m, 5f).
(3) John Howden (1798-1883), of Old Crichton Dean, Whitburgh Estate, Humbie, E Lothian (c.1840-c.Apr 1852) and Powlett Street, Kilmore, Victoria, Australia (1852-67) and Piper Street, Kilmore; carpenter and wheelwright; b 16 Mar 1798 E Peaston, C 4 Apr 1898 Ormiston, d 11 Sep 1863 (age 85) Broadford, Victoria, Australia, bur Kilmore Cem, m 10 Jun 1821 (banns 1 Jun 1821 Humbie; 2 Jun 1821 Borthwick), Euphemia Craig (dau of James Craig and Beatrix Laurie), b 17 Sep 1798 Dwarton, Borthwick, Midlothian, C 7 Oct 1798 Crichton, Midlothian, d 18 Mar 1845 (age 46) Crichton Dean, bur Crichton.  John Howden arr Australia on the ship "Garland", which dep Liverpool 26 Apr 1852 and arr Melbourne 31 Jul 1852.
Issue: 12 (7m, 5f) - Beatrice, George# (twins), George, Marion#, James, William, Euphemia, John#, Marion, Matthew, Janet and John.
9. MARION HOWDEN (1832-1887), of 23 Dublin Street, St Mary, Edinburgh (1851 – servant of Andrew Webster); 4 Nelson Street, Greenock West, Renfrewshire (1861); 108 Rose Street, St George, Edinburgh (1871); b 10 Mar 1832 Old Crichton Dean, reg 17 Jan 1834 Humbie, d 2 Jan 1887 (age 54) Woolloongabba, Queensland (DQ B019484), m1/ (banns 7 Jul 1853 at Crichton, Midlothian and Greenock, Renfrew), ROBERT HELEY (son of William Heley), painter, b c.1826 England, d 1861/7. Issue: Issue: 5 (2m, 3f).
9. MARION HOWDEN (1832-1887), m2/ 15 Feb 1867 at Edinburgh, DONALD McGREGOR, joiner, b 1828 Perth, alive 1871. Issue: 5 (2m, 3f).
Most of Marion Howden's siblings emigrated from Scotland to Victoria  in the 1850s. If you send me an email message to ****** I would send you a PDF file. John Howden Heley emigrated from Scotland to Queensland with his mother Marion McGregor (nee Heley) and his stepfather Donald McGregor.


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[mapakettle]

Evening
I have just begun trying to research my family tree and am seeking information on the Heley family. I recognised a couple of names in the post regrading John Howden Heley and am confident this too is my part of my family tree. I would be extremely grateful for any information you could share or even a hint as to where I might continue my search.

Kindest regards
mapakettle

[Barbasto]

John Howden Heley was a son of Marion Howden (daughter of John Howden and Euphemia Craig of Old Crichton Dean, Humbie Parish, East Lothian, Scotland) and her first husband Robert Heley. Marion's father and most of her siblings emigrated to the Kilmore district of Victoria, Australia in the 1850s. However, Marion remained in Scotland until 1875.
In 1853 she married Robert Heley and resided in the Glasgow district. They had 5 children including John Howard Heley born 3 March 1860 at Greenock. Following the death of Robert Heley, Marion married Donald McGregor (in 1867). They had 4 children born at Edinburgh. In 1875, Marion, Donald and several of Marion's children (by either marriage) emigrated to Brisbane, Queensland, including John Howden Heley.
Marion and Donald had a fifth child Jessie McGregor born in 1877 during a sojourn in Victoria (possibly when visiting her siblings).
I will paste below part of a Howden family table that I compiled.
Walter Savige

9. MARION HOWDEN (1832-1887), of 23 Dublin Street, St Mary, Edinburgh (1851 – servant of Andrew Webster); 4 Nelson Street, Greenock West, Renfrewshire (1861); 108 Rose Street, St George, Edinburgh (1871); b 10 Mar 1832 Old Crichton Dean, reg 17 Jan 1834 Humbie, d 2 Jan 1887 (age 54) Woolloongabba, Queensland (DQ B019484), m1/ (banns 7 Jul 1853 at Crichton, Midlothian and Greenock, Renfrew), ROBERT HELEY (son of William Heley), painter, b c.1826 England, d 1861/7. Issue: 5 (2m, 3f) -

(1) EUPHEMIA HELEY, res Pathhead, Crichton, Midlothian (in March 1851); b 1850 Greenock, Renfrewshire, m 5 Dec 1870, James Newbigging, b c.1842 Edinburgh. Issue: 9 (4m, 5f) -
   i. MARION HOWDEN NEWBIGGING, b 21 Nov 1870 Edinburgh.
      ii. JAMES NEWBIGGING, b 16 Dec 1872 Dundee.
      iii. JANE NEWBIGGING, b 22 Nov 1874 Dundee.
      iv. EUPHEMIA NEWBIGGING, b 1877 Dundee.
      v. BEATRICE NEWBIGGING, b 1879 Dundee.
      vi. BELLA B. NEWBIGGING, b 1882 Dundee.
      vii. JOHN H. NEWBIGGING, b 1884 Dundee.
      viii. JAMES NEWBIGGING, b 1888 Dundee.
      ix. WILLIAM NEWBIGGING, b 1890 Dundee.

(2) WILLIAM HELEY, b 20 Mar 1856 Greenock, arr Brisbane 20 Sep 1875.

(3) MARY HELEY, b 26 Jul 1857 Greenock, arr Brisbane 20 Sep 1875.


(4) JOHN HOWDEN HELEY (1860-1929), b 3 Mar 1860 Greenock, d 21 Aug 1929 (age 69) Brisbane, Queensland, arr Brisbane 20 Sep 1875, m 11 Aug 1886 in Queensland, MARY MATILDA GREENSILL (MQ 000381) (daughter of Frederick Greensill and Matilda Cook).
Issue: 2m –
   i. ROBERT FREDERICK HELEY, b 18 May 1887 Queensland (BQ BO30794).
   ii. JOHN GREENSILL HELEY, b 17 Mar 1889 Queensland (BQ BO43258).

(5) ELIZABETH HELEY, b 18 May 1862 Greenock.

(6) BEATRICE HELEY, b 6 May 1864 Greenock, arr Brisbane 20 Sep 1875.

9. MARION HOWDEN (1832-1887), m2/ 15 Feb 1867 at Edinburgh, DONALD McGREGOR, joiner, b 1828 Perth, d 1902 (age c.74) Queensland. Issue: 5 (2m, 3f) –

(7) DONALD McGREGOR, b 26 Oct 1867 Edinburgh, d 1871/5? Scotland,

( MARION HOWDEN McGREGOR (1869-1946), res Woolloongabba & Rockhampton, Queensland and Auckland, New Zealand; b 26 Mar 1869 Edinburgh, d 20 Jul 1946 (age 77) Mt Eden, NZ, arr Brisbane 20 Sep 1875, m 28 Feb 1887 in Qld, ALEXANDER CAMPBELL McMURTRIE (son of Alexander Campbell McMurtrie & Jacobina Wyllie), b 15 Jul 1864 Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, d 3 Apr 1950 Mt Eden, NZ. Issue: 8 (4m, 4f) -

   i. RUTH McMURTRIE (1887-1966), b 25 Nov 1887 Woolloongabba, d 19 Dec 1966 Childers.
ii. BEATRICE JACOBINA McMURTRIE (1890-1968), b 29 Jan 1890 Wooloongabba, d 1968 New Zealand.
iii. ALEXANDER CAMPBELL McMURTRIE (1894-1971), b 9 Jan 1994 Rockhampton, Queensland, d 1971 New Zealand.
iv. ALFRED McMURTRIE (1895-1897), b 2 Oct 1895 Rockhampton, d c.1897 Rockhampton.
v. CHARLES EDWIN ROY McMURTRIE (1898-1966), b 31 Dec 1898 Rockhampton, d 1966 New Zealand.
vi. MARION JESSIE HOWDEN McMURTRIE (1902-1938), b 19 Apr 1902 Rockhampton, d 1938 New Zealand.
vii. KENNETH McMURTRIE (1904-1904), b 11 Feb 1902 Rockhampton, d 18 Feb 1902 Rockhampton.
viii. EUPHEMIA McMURTRIE (1910-1991), 21 Sep 1910 Mt Eden, NZ, d 25 Jul 1891 Auckland.


(9) ANDREW WEBSTER McGREGOR, b 28 Aug 1870 Edinburgh, arr Brisbane 20 Sep 1875.

(10) DUNCAN McGREGOR, b 28 Aug 1872 Edinburgh, d before 1875?

(11) JESSIE McALISTER McGREGOR, b 1877 Prahran, Victoria, Australia.

[Barbasto]

Robert Heley (1826-1864, son of William Heley born 1805 and Elizabeth Mein born 1801) was born at Berwick-upon-Tweed, Northumberland, England and died in the Glasgow district, Scotland. Robert had 3 siblings - William born 1831, Andrew (1832-1841) and Prudence born 1847.