Richardson/Heslop

[Tati]

Hi Maggie,

If you have 1901 for the parents, could you please post the details?

Are there any interesting witnesses on the marriage cert for Thomas and Mary?

[maggie smith]

hi Tati

The witnesses on the wedding cert: of Thomas and Mary are William and Floranna Symington. 

[Nessie]

I found William and Floranna Symington in 1891 in Seghill, he was a miner but she was listed as Florence So as you said Floranna was also known as Florrie I looked for a Florence Heslop on 1901. I only found one of the right age and she was a lodger with the Knox family in Heaton Newcastle at 139 Demark Street.
RG13/4793/30/52

George Knox head age 31 ships rivetter born Wallsend
Mary dau age 3 born Newcastle
Ethel dau age 5 born Newcastle
Florence Heslop boarder age 20 school teacher born Newbiggin
Ann w Knox wife age 31 born Newcastle.

[Tati]

Thanks, Nessie 

I also thought of this: 
We could wonder who this Floranna is...

I have a theory with nothing to back it up. If Mary named her daughter Floranna, perhaps they were related?

FreeBMD has a death in Tynemouth in 1849 for a Florannah Richardson, so the name might have run in the family.   

Have searched for Floranna in census returns, and see she was born ca. 1859 in Seghill. Searching for a marriage, 
I come up with this stunning page in June 1878:
Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland
Bell, Ann
Blackett, John
Richardson, Thomas
Symington, William

1 only bride - 3 grooms, one named Richardson. Went to check on the actual images whether Thomas was a mistranscription for Floranna. Unfortunately, no. (Still wanting this to be their marriage  I don't exclude a mistranscription somewhere) 

Anyway, searching for this girl prior to her marriage in 1871, I see this:
Rg10/5131 61 17
25 Blaketown (?), Seghill
John Richardson, head, Coal miner, 52, b. Whitton Globes
Sarah, wife, 52, b. Welburn
Mary, dau, unm, 22, b. Seghill
William, son, unm, 20, Coal miner, b. do.
Flora___ (it could read both Florance or Floranna, I'd dearly like somebody else to have a look) dau, 14, scholar, b. do.
John, son, 8, scholar, b. do.
Isabell, dau, 1, b. do.

This Mary is a few years out. Are you positive about her birth year? Also, you say you have Mary and Thomas in 1901: Where was she born according to it?

Probably clutching at straws but I thought I'd post it anyway 

Tanja 

[Tati]

+ what was Mary's address on the mariage cert? Her parents might be living there in 1881! (Wonder why I haven't asked before...)

[Tati]

     Oh no! My theory falls apart!! Should have checked 1881 before! This John has a daughter Mary Gillespie by then.
Sorry for losing your time !! 

 

[Nessie]

Have checked the census and I am pretty sure it is Floranna. It also ties in with the Floranna Symington on the marriage certificate I think from this entry in 1891.

RG12/4236/147/14
Blake Town Seghill

William Symington head age 37 coal miner born Seghill
Floranna wife age 32 born Seghill
Mary A dau age 7 born Seghill.

Although looking at the census entry I am not sure about Florannas birthplace, but the index says Seghill.

[Nessie]

Checking 1881 Floranna is still there as born in Seghill, Symington is spelled with 2 Ms. They are living at Post Office Buildings Seghill
RG11/5090/98/51

[Tati]

Well, this is puzzling.
Have just found this marriage here:
http://www.ndfhs.fsnet.co.uk/RegIndex.html

Year Surname Forename Initials Church 
1878 SYMINGTON William  St John the Baptist 
1878 RICHARDSON Floranna  St John the Baptist

So I suppose part of my theory was right... I just didn't find the correct family in 1871. Unless Mary was a widow when she married Thomas? But you would have told us, Maggie, wouldn't you?

Tanja