Passlow Common-Beerhouse

[Dee3]

Can any one help - I am trying to find out when a pub burnt down?  I have 2 names for it, in the 1901 census its called the White Horse and in Kelly's it is called the Black Horse with a note to say it was only named in 1937.  I am confused. Perhaps there are 2 Pubs or one was renamed? Help please

[cep]

Essex Pubs   http://essexpub.net/indexIan.htm

Lists Black Horse, Paslow Common & White Horse, Nine Ashes

http://essexpub.net/HighOngar/highongar.htm


1901 Census, High Ongar, description of enumeration district 9


"Comprising Great Forest Hall   ......   White Horse Inn  ....
Passlow Hall, the Whole of King St, Nine Ash Farm, .....
Passlow Common, including the White Horse Beerhouse   ....  "


RG13 1643 103 p4

White Horse
Richard Nichols, head, mar, 40, Inn Keeper, b. Limehouse, London
wife, son & servant


RG13 1643 105 p8

Passlow Common
Beer House, White Horse
Walter King, head, mar, 30, Beer House Keeper, b. Little Hadham, Herts
wife & family, 1 boarder


Passlow Common & Nine Ashes are within sight of each other, so it would appear that Walter King's Beerhouse became known as the Black Horse to avoid confusion with the older established White Horse. The business seems to have prospered, eventually becoming a recognized Pub. Maybe this is what is meant by "named in 1937".

Sorry, no help on burning.


Regards   CP

[Douglas P]

Hi Dee,

The sites of the Black Horse pub & White Horse beerhouse at Paslow Common are within a stone's throw of each other. As far as I know, the White Horse burned down many years ago and then the Black Horse pub was opened nearby. The Black Horse itself closed in the last few years and is now just a house.

Just to confuse things, there's also a pub/restaurant called the White Horse about a mile and a half away at Norton Heath, which I presume is still open. These are all within the parish of High Ongar.

If it helps, I've marked them on the following maps,

Site of recent Black Horse:
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=558780&y=201715&z=3&sv=558500,201500&st=4&ar=Y&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf

Site of former White Horse beerhouse:
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=558825&y=201800&z=3&sv=558500,201500&st=4&ar=Y&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf

White Horse pub at Norton Heath:
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=560455&y=204280&z=3&sv=560500,204500&st=4&ar=Y&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf

I've had a look at the Essex Pub website suggested by Cep and I think the premises labelled 'White Horse, Nine Ashes' must refer to the White Horse beerhouse at Paslow Common. I'm guessing now, but perhaps the King family owned the White Horse at the time it burned down and then started the Black Horse. The date of 1937 may be soon after their new premises opened.

If I remember, I'll dig out some old maps tomorrow and tell you which editions show which name for the Paslow Common pubs.

Douglas.

P.S. - I was brought up at Paslow Common.

P.P.S. - The definition of a beerhouse has been discussed elsewhere on this site:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,101342.0.html

[Douglas P]

Hello again,

I've had a look at some old maps to see when the two pub names were in use at Paslow Common. The 1920 edition of the map has the name 'Black Horse (B.H.)' and the 1896 edition includes the name 'White Horse (B.H.)'. The first edition of the Ordnance Survey map from 1874 shows neither name but all three versions show the buildings which housed the two pubs.

I also have a plan of Paslow Common from 1859 relating to the Enclosures Act. The accompanying document mentions the 'White Horse Inn and two cottages' and the owner Emma Caton.

My father still lives at Paslow Common and can remember the Black Horse as far back as the 1940s when he was a child. At that time it was run by a Mrs. King who lived there with her daughter Lucy and Lucy's two sons. Mrs. King would have been born in the late 1800s. Lucy is now in her 90s and still lives locally with one of her sons. Are these people relatives of yours?

I would be interested to know how you heard about the White Horse burning down. I only know what I've been told by my father. He's a bit vague about it as whatever happened was before he was born.

Douglas

[Dee3]

Hi Douglas, thanks so much for the information.  It appears that William Pleasants owned the Whitehorse between 1890-1899 and his daughter Ellen married Walter King and they owned the Blackhorse at Paslow common between 1902-1937.  Lucy was the daughter of Ellen and Walter, the sister of my Grandfather William Walter King.  My uncle is also alive although almost 80, he is living in NSW. He is the only remaining son of William Walter.  The story of the fire has been told to me by my Father Basil King and my uncle, Ron King. I was overjoyed to hear that I still have some relatives alive that I was not aware of.  I have an aunt and 2 cousins at ingatestone and I visited them in 2003 when I was in the UK.  Do you by any chance have any contact with Lucy and her son?  Would her married name be Stiff?   I would like to get some newspaper details of the fire if they are available, would you know how I may go about this? I don't know who Emma Caton is although William Pleasants also had a daughter called Emma, maybe that is her married name.  Once again thanks, Dee

[Douglas P]

Hi Dee, I'll see what more I can find out about the King family and send you a personal message.

I can suggest some websites with info about people and places in Essex, but I think you're very unlikely to find the White Horse mentioned.

The Essex Records Office is at http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/%5CLogin.asp?Start=False&ERO=2 . You can click on 'Guest' to avoid registering. The index is available online but not the documents. Some other sites are:
http://www.esfh.org.uk
http://www.essexsurnames-ashuttle.co.uk
http://www.historyhouse.co.uk/index.html

I've no idea where you could find archives for regional newspapers, except by visiting the British Library in London. This is an example of what their website shows:
http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/newspapers/record.ASP?lngMTitle=1063

I hope this helps.

Douglas.

[brian gilbertson]

Hi

I was the landlord of the Black Horse Paslow Common from 1996 till 2002. The black Horse was situated on the main road ( 158 Nine Ashes road) The site of the White Horse was situated about 150 yards away on a back Field behind Pavitts Garage and the cottages next door. The remains of the foundations are still visible. Both pubs or beer houses were very small when built but the Black Horse had been extended several times. I was told that these two very small pubs would have been serving the farm working community when they were built. The black Horse had a some time been purchased by Whitbread brewery, because of its location being in deepest Essex ? this would allow the dray horses to be rested and feed and if need be stored. In the period of the second World war the Black Horse would often entertain American troops that cycled from Willingale air drone to Paslow Common ( approx 6 miles) for beer and music. During my period it was a famous cycling pub attracting a large number of cyclist from all over the county.Somebody once told me the name of the road Nine Ashes took its name from the London Plague when the body's were transported to paslow Common and Burnt !  The black Horse

[Dee3]

Hi Brian,
Thanks for the information, it has been awhile since I have done any research on the King family, any other information you may have would be appreciated,
cheers Dee