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Missing 1881 census
« on: Wednesday 08 September 04 14:50 BST (UK) »
Hi All,

Are you having a fruitless search on the 1881 census?

I found this site...


Which says that the following census are nmissing from the films (which is what LDS trans were done from).

http://www.ktb.net/~dwills/scotref/18811959.htm

PARISH NUMBER/ COUNTY/ PARISH NAME
124/ Moray/ Abernethy
399/ Fife/ Abbotshall
758/ Peebles/ Broughton
822/ Dumfries/ Dunscore

I knew a significant proportion of the Dumfries census was missing - see post from Audrey in Dumfriesshire...

http://www.rootschat.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=9751.0

Cheers,
Pam
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Dumfrieshire: Fallen, Fallon, Carruthers, Scott, Farish, Aitchison, Green, Ryecroft, Thomson, Stewart
Midlothian: Linn/d, Aitken, Martin
North Wales: Robins(on), Hughes, Parry, Jones
Cumberland: Lowther, Young, Steward, Miller
Somerset: Palmer, Cork, Greedy, Clothier

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Re: Missing 1881 census
« Reply #1 on: Friday 29 July 05 10:16 BST (UK) »
Hi All,

Are you having a fruitless search on the 1881 census?

I found this site...


Which says that the following census are nmissing from the films (which is what LDS trans were done from).

http://www.ktb.net/~dwills/scotref/18811959.htm

PARISH NUMBER/ COUNTY/ PARISH NAME
124/ Moray/ Abernethy
399/ Fife/ Abbotshall
758/ Peebles/ Broughton
822/ Dumfries/ Dunscore

I knew a significant proportion of the Dumfries census was missing - see post from Audrey in Dumfriesshire...

http://www.rootschat.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=9751.0

Cheers,
Pam
 ;D


Not entirely true...

Abernethy, Moray can be found in Abernethy & Kincardine, Inverness-shire (90a)
Abbotshall, Fife can be found in Kirkcaldy & Abbotshall, Fife (442)
Broughton, Peebles-shire can be found in Kilbucho, Broughton and Glenholm, Peebles-shire (763)

The 1881 censuses known to be missing are the second half of Dumfries (821) and the whole of Dunscore (822), both Dumfries-shire.

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Re: Missing 1881 census
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 30 November 08 21:50 GMT (UK) »
I don't know if this information has been posted at RootsChat or not but in case it hasn't, here is a list of census data that is missing according to ScotlandsPeople:

Missing Census Data

The following list details the Census Data (RD number and name) missing for each year and the reason why.

1881
821 Dumfries, Dumfriesshire (Ed's 13-27) 822 Dunscore, Dumfriesshire

1851
We regret that the following Registration Districts are unavailable at the present time. Every effort is being made to rectify this:

Angus
277, Careston
278, Cortachy & Clova
279, Coupar Angus
280, Craig
281, Dun

Ayrshire
597, Kilmarnock

Kincardineshire
268, Strachan

Caithness
We are aware of some issues with the Caithness registration districts of Bower, Canisbay, Dunnet and Halkirk.

1841
93, Cromdale, Moray, entries can be found under Inverallan
167, Seafield, Banffshire , book has no entries
324, Aberfeldy, Perthshire , book has no entries
367, Kinloch Rannoch, Perthshire , book has no entries
400, Abdie, Fifeshire , book has no entries
406, Auchtermuchty, Fifeshire , book has no entries
409, Balmerino, Fifeshire , book has no entries
415, Ceres, Fifeshire , no book
416, Collesie, Fifeshire , no book
418, Creich, Fifeshire , no book
419, Cults, Fifeshire , no book
420, Cupar, Fifeshire , no book
421, Dairsie, Fifeshire , no book
423, Dunbog, Fifeshire , no book
439, Kinghorn, Fifeshire , book has no entries
440, Kinglasie, Fifeshire , book has no entries
442, Kirkcaldy, Fifeshire , book has no entries
444, Leslie, Fifeshire , book has no entries
509, Cumlodden, Argyllshire , book has no entries
535, Tarbert, Argyllshire , book has no entries
556, Lochranza, Buteshire , book has no entries
557, North Bute, Buteshire , book has no entries
577, Auchinleck, Ayshire , book has no entries
776, Kirkhope, Selkirkshire , book has no entries
809, Teviothead, Roxburghshire , book has no entries
862, Corsock Bridge, Kirkcudbrightshire , book has no entries
864, Dalbeattie, Kirkcudbrightshire , book has no entries
Canada: Patterson, Brown, Haidenger/Heidinger, Meyer, Johnston(e), Gorsuch, Kitchin/Kitchen
United States: Patterson, Smith, Brown, Vance, Bower(s), Newberry, Best, Love, Gorsuch
England (Northumberland): Brown, Whitfield, Henderson
Scotland (Glasgow, Edinburgh, Fife, East Lothian): Johnston(e), Bell, Galloway, Campbell, Robertson, Williamson, Thomson, Crawford
Germans from Russia: Haidenger/Heidinger, Meyer, Meach, Lorenz

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Re: Missing 1881 census
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 30 November 08 22:08 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jacquie,

The 1841 lot have a number of explanations, more than SP has given. The enumeration books for Auchinleck and these Fife ones, plus a few more parts of parishes that were split across county boundaries from Fife were lost, presumed not to have completed the journey from London to Edinburgh (lost overboard from a ship is one version alleged, but I have not seen that verified). Cromdale is correctly explained. The other ones were not parishes at the time of the 1841 census, so the households later in these districts were enumerated in the parishes that were there at that time. So, for these ones it is not that the books have no entries, but that there were never any such books.

ADP

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Re: Missing 1881 census
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 08 November 17 13:28 GMT (UK) »
if  you can't find it in 1881 census try the 1881 LD it was carried out on a difference date (it's free)

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Re: Missing 1881 census
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 08 November 17 13:37 GMT (UK) »
Can you tell us what 'LD' is please & do you have a link?

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South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie, MacDonald, MacInnes, MacIntyre, MacKinnon, Steele, Walker

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, MacKinnon, MacPhee

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Re: Missing 1881 census
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 08 November 17 14:01 GMT (UK) »
If you mean 1881 LDS on Scotlandspeople then it is not based on a different original census record. It is a different transcription of the census that was done by volunteers ( in the 1990's? - I was one of the volunteers but can't remember when it was). It was coordinated by the Church of Latter Day Saints (LDS) and many Family History Societies took part. It wasn't done for commercial gain which is the reason it is free.
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Weatherall, Greer (Ireland & Scotland)
Hamilton, Johnston, Dawson, Rennie, Wright (Clackmannanshire)

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Re: Missing 1881 census
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 08 November 17 19:09 GMT (UK) »
Yes it is the LDS version on Scotlandspeople - used to cost 2 credits - but is now free - it can help trace others as there is a slight difference in some areas - the IGI as it was called the lather day saint aka Mormon's were allowed access to the OPR 's And other official Scottish records to digitise on one condition is free to access

NB: Always check if the records a officially  supplied or privately submitted because some of the submitted data can have errors  and always try and double check the transcription errors if not sure
But saying that it is a help source/ guide

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Re: Missing 1881 census
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 08 November 17 19:38 GMT (UK) »
Any differences between the LDS version and others is simply down to a different interpretation of the same source record. The LDS transcription was very carefully checked so maybe more accurate than the commercially produced ones.
Isobel
Clotworthy, McMahon, Saunderson, Culley (Ireland & Scotland)
Weatherall, Greer (Ireland & Scotland)
Hamilton, Johnston, Dawson, Rennie, Wright (Clackmannanshire)