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Re: Samual Joseph Cox,of Wycombe?
« Reply #27 on: Monday 27 February 06 10:06 GMT (UK) »
Valda.
I agree that Eton is out of place but it is the only lead I have and I will check when I visit Wycombe area.
I also agree about ages but my limited experience suggests that women have lied about their ages for centuries! ;D
The coincidences of the Easts and Coxes being on both censuses  still give me hope on that line (together with thoughts of finding skeletons.)
Assuming that James Cox is the right one , would it be possible to post me the entries
you found out about him (remarrying)

Also if you or Tati can provide anything on Carolines father William that would be appreciated.
Thanks again for all your help (including Lesanne). From being at a dead end a few weeks ago , I have moved forward a giant step.

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Re: Samual Joseph Cox,of Wycombe?
« Reply #28 on: Monday 27 February 06 11:22 GMT (UK) »
1881 is free to look up at www.familysearch.org or www.ancestry.co.uk

1891
RG12/1140 84 11
Great Marlow Oxford Rd

William Cox, head, 56, Carpenter, b. Marlow
Caroline, wife, 54, Embroideress, b. do.
Charles Samuel, Grandson, 10, scholar, b. London Kensington

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Re: Samual Joseph Cox,of Wycombe?
« Reply #29 on: Monday 27 February 06 11:26 GMT (UK) »
Possible match in 1851
HO107/1719 413 55
Great Marlow
Chapel Street

Thomas Cox, lodger, m, 48, Well digger, b. High Wycombe
William Cox, lodger, 16, b. Great Marlow

in the household of Charles Haines, Shoemaker 

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Re: Samual Joseph COX of Wycombe?
« Reply #30 on: Monday 27 February 06 12:02 GMT (UK) »
Greet. Thanks
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Re: Samual Joseph Cox,of Wycombe?
« Reply #31 on: Monday 27 February 06 18:58 GMT (UK) »
The first thing to know by the way (and an archivist at The National Archives confirmed this in a talk at a conference I was present at) that historically at least it isn't women who fabricated their ages it was men. I've no axe to grind on this point, but from extensive research in various records this is what I've found. I have no idea whether the same is true in more modern times and women and the movement of their ages is a modern urban myth or factually correct. I can only tell you what I've found in historical records and it isn't from limited experience, and it is evidence based.

1871 census RG10 1405 folio 48
Prospect House Great Marlow  Buckinghamshire   
James Cox 64  Wycombe, Buckinghamshire,  Head  Married Farmer
Sarah Cox 54 or 6 Betton, Gloucestershire, Wife Married
plus one servant

1881 census RG11 1466 folio 32
St Peters St, Great Marlow, Buckinghamshire
James Cox 75  High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire,  Head Married Farmer
Caroline Cox 56  Gt Marlow, Buckinghamshire, Wife Married Farmer's wife
Mary J. Cox 14  Gt Marlow, Buckinghamshire,  Daughter  Servant D S
Plus one servant

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Re: Samual Joseph Cox,of Wycombe?
« Reply #32 on: Monday 27 February 06 22:33 GMT (UK) »
Sorry about the slur but it was posted with tongue in cheek as my wife's  GGM was married three times. We have the wedding certs and her DOB varies by 10 years.

 Thanks for rest of information.
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Re: Samual Joseph Cox,of Wycombe?
« Reply #33 on: Monday 14 August 06 13:58 BST (UK) »
;DJust to let you both know everybodies work was not in vain and I am still moving forward albeit slowly. I thought i would post where i am just in case it proves helpful.
I, and the excellent staff at Bucks Record Officehave spent a lot of time trying to chase Samuel Cox or Harris. A family bible we traced gave his date of birth as 11 June 1859 (7) and that of his wife Caroline as 25 February 1857. We found Carolines data and her father was William Cox, and his wife was Caroline. Try as we could both in parish records and PRO, we could find nothing on  Samuel. We will try non comformists next.
We worked on the assumption that Samuel Cox was indeed  Samuel Harris and followed this up. Sophia Cox did indeed marry Daniel Harris by banns in Eaton in 1852. No ages or addresses are given. Sophia's fathers name was James which ties in with the census data. Daniels father was Ralph Harris ( Labourer)
We have not chased up Sophia yet and the limited search on Daniel has not shown up anything except possibly a coincidence.The family group records show a Daniel Harris christened in Aug 1825 and fathers name Ralph. Mothers name Amelia. Unfortunately as we can not find him on a census we have no indication of our Daniels age. The interesting thing was that this christening took place at Maidenhead Independent-Nc.
We cannot find out any thing about this place or what Nc stands for . If anybody can help it would be appreciated. It could be that he also had his son christened in a non conformance church so we will press on searching at the records office. If anybody has any other ideas as to how i can progress ,the advise would be welcome. If say, that Daniel was in prison would there be records around?
Once again , thanks to the two of you

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Re: Samual Joseph COX of Wycombe?
« Reply #34 on: Monday 14 August 06 18:47 BST (UK) »
Hi Wrinkly,

This looks like the family of Ralph and Amelia in 1841:
HO107/11/6 4 3
Hurley, Berkshire
Burchess Green

Ralph Harris, 50, Ind, born out of county
Amelia, 40, not born in county
Amelia, 13, yes
Sarah Ann, 10, yes
Samuel, 5, yes


The IGI has the following births to this couple, All at the above church:
JOHN HUMPHREY HARRIS Christening: 19 MAR 1819
DANIEL WILLIAM HARRIS Christening: 10 MAR 1822
AMELIA HARRIS Christening: 15 FEB 1824
DANIEL HARRIS Christening: AUG 1825
SARAH HARRIS Christening: 18 MAR 1827
WILLIAM HARRIS Christening: 05 OCT 1828
SARAH ANN HARRIS Christening: 15 NOV 1829
SAMUEL HARRIS Christening: 23 OCT 1831 
MARY HARRIS Christening: 28 JUL 1833

Whether this is the family of the Daniel who marries Sophia Cox, I don't know...

Checking the 1861 census, I see Ralph is living guess where  :D in Marlow Buckinghamshire (birthplace Little Marlow)

 

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Re: Samual Joseph COX of Wycombe?
« Reply #35 on: Monday 14 August 06 18:54 BST (UK) »
Look at this  8)

1851
HO107/1790 365 18
Great Marlow, Buckinghamshire

Ralph Harris, head, 60, Cabinet (retired) Maker, b, Bucks Marlow
A, wife, 53, b. do.
D, son, 24, Baker, b. Berks Maidenhead
W, son, 23, Tailor, b. do.
S?, dau, 21, b. do.

Was Daniel a baker on the marriage cert?

Edit: Just spotted him in 1841 at Great Marlow: Daniel Harris, 15, Baker app, not born in county

Can't see him after 1851 however  :-\

 "My dear, I think the English pronounce it 'appiness"  

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