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Re: White Hart, High Street, Knaresborough
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 22 January 06 17:11 GMT (UK) »
Dear Tricia,

Thank you, and oooooooooo yes please. All information appreciated.

It is beginning to look as though the Paulden family took over the Auchterlowine business, because with John Auchterlownie training to be a chemist and in 1861 Henry Paulden being a druggist and spirit merchant there seems to be too much of a coincidence for there not to be a link.

I don't suppose the chemist part of business had anything to do with the oldest recorded chemist shop in the market place which is now a tea rooms, and where I had my meal a couple of weeks ago! It really would be strange if I had found the place without knowing!!!!!!

Thank you once again - I feel as though progress is being made with your help.
Patsy
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Re: White Hart, High Street, Knaresborough
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 22 January 06 17:24 GMT (UK) »
Incidentally, on the 1861 census the address for the White Hart is Market Place Knaresborough. I think there is an excellent chance that Hart's Hotel in Market Street today and described as an old coaching Inn is the building you are looking for.

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Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson.
Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter
Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler
Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter
London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards
Italy: Gioffredi

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Re: White Hart, High Street, Knaresborough
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 22 January 06 17:30 GMT (UK) »
In 1861 Maryann Auchterlownie is 41 and still unmarried. Born Knaresborough she is lodging with John Curry and family still in the High Street, Knaresborough. John Curry is a Cordwainer(Shoemaker) Maryann is not recorded as having an occup

HO107/2019 Wolverhampton Folio 6 Page 5

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Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson.
Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter
Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler
Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter
London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards
Italy: Gioffredi

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Re: White Hart, High Street, Knaresborough
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 22 January 06 17:43 GMT (UK) »
1851 census

No address recorded. Living  Kirby Hill  Yorkshire 

Henry Morton Paulden,Head age 33 Joiner, b.Packport, Cheshire
Elizabeth Paulden,wife age 33, b. Bramley, Yorkshire
Lucy Ann Paulden,dau age  11 b. Bramley, Yorkshire
Mary... ....(?) Paulden,dau age 5, b. Bramley, Yorkshire
Elizabeth F Paulden,dau age 3 b. Bramley, Yorkshire
John W Paulden,son age 1 b. Kirby Hill, Yorkshire

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Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson.
Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter
Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler
Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter
London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards
Italy: Gioffredi

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Re: White Hart, High Street, Knaresborough
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 22 January 06 17:45 GMT (UK) »
Interesting, isn't it,that the family business went to an in-law when there was a 41 year old unmarried daughter still in Knaresborough. We will never know why.Perhaps she wasn't up to it.

Doesn't seem to be any other male Auchterlownie's around after John's dearh.

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Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson.
Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter
Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler
Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter
London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards
Italy: Gioffredi

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Re: White Hart, High Street, Knaresborough
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 22 January 06 18:01 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Tricia,

I have now printed off all the information, and will sit down with a nice glass of chilled stuff to put it all together.

Cheers, Patsy
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Re: White Hart, High Street, Knaresborough
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 22 January 06 18:05 GMT (UK) »
Haven't finished yet ;D

Story is coming together now - was a bit worried about the inlaws pinching the business. This is probably what happened - Hannah died in 1858 so the business would go to her son John.
John then married Lucy Ann and promptly died himself. That leaves her in situ with the business as you thought. Poor Maryann :'( Full circle from your 'guesswork'

Hannah Auchterlownie
Death registered Qrt ending June 1858
Knaresborough
Vol 9a
Page 75

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Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson.
Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter
Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler
Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter
London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards
Italy: Gioffredi

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Re: White Hart, High Street, Knaresborough
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 22 January 06 18:10 GMT (UK) »
John Donald Auchterlownie
Death registered Qrt ending March 1861
Knaresborough
Vol 9a
Page 77

So if anyone wants to see why he died (I reckon Lucy poisoned him to get the business) ;) you can send for this cert online from

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificate/index.asp

Did Lucy re-marry?

Tricia
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Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson.
Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter
Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler
Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter
London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards
Italy: Gioffredi

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Re: White Hart, High Street, Knaresborough
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 22 January 06 21:06 GMT (UK) »
Dear Tricia,

Are you sitting comfortably? Then I'll begin.

Yes Lucy Ann did remarry a John Sedgwick Lambert - September quarter 1862 - in Knaresborough. They moved to Tyneside where their son Walter Hibbert Lambert was born in 1868. Walter seems to have spent more time with his grandparents the Paulden's than at home, but compairing Jarrow to Knaresborough you can probably see why!

The Lambert's ran a cafe in Ellison Street, Jarrow in 1871, and by 1881 had moved to the other side of the Tyne to take over the Jerusalem Coffee House, in Clive Street, North Shields, moving back again by 1891.

Walter Lambert grew up to be a Music Hall artist and worked under the professional name of Lydia Dreams. Part of his act was as a ventriloquist and he travelled across to America to perform as well as in the UK. He was obviously very talented because he was also a painter and received a Royal Commision to paint a picture depicting all the musical artists of the period, and this painting called 'Popularity' can be seen at the London Museum today.

Now this is where I fit into the picture because my grandfather was a very good friend of Walter Lambert, so much so that although my grandfather was not a music hall artist he too is in the picture, coming down the stairs of an open top bus. Walter also included his wife and children although none of them have their names on the diagram which tells you who is who in the picture. My father could recall the picture as it was being painted in the 1930's as both families lived in Kenbury Street, Camberwell, and sometimes my Dad and his brother were privileged to a private performance where Walter had a little stage with curtains.

Through the power of the internet I have managed to find one of Walters descendent's who now lives in Australia, and it is for her (and of course myself) that I am trying to discover the family history.

This family searching lark really is time consuming but Oh so interesting, because you never know where it leads, and I have made contact with some really lovely people.

Thank you for all your help, and wishing you continued success in all your searching.
Best Wishes, Patsy
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Elstob, Fidler, Hunter, Strong (Northumberland)
Acus, Bayes, Beech, Bell, Bird, Blaskett, Blatchly, Byatt, Daly, Farmer, Fricker, Hartelbury, Voullaire-Campbell (London)
Berry, Graham, Urquhart (Scotland)
Thompson, McCullough (County Down, Ireland)

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Re: White Hart, High Street, Knaresborough
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 22 January 06 22:06 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for sharing all that. It's nice when they aren't just names on a census sheet. Hope your friend is pleased with all the information - they sound like a good family for 'Who do you think you are'  ;D

Lucy's dad landed on his feet - presumably he kept the wine and spirits shop

Good Luck, Tricia
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Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson.
Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter
Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler
Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter
London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards
Italy: Gioffredi