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Re: Ultraviolet or infrared for faded writing?
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 19 February 06 07:07 GMT (UK) »
Wow!  That's fantastic!  I had just put that picture in my family history that I am desperately trying to work on before I go - I will now put the coloured one in.  It's amazing.  I shall try to master it when I get back.

Many thanks for your time and trouble!

HK

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Re: Ultraviolet or infrared for faded writing?
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 19 February 06 07:15 GMT (UK) »
Sleep, Denn?  Yes, well, I went to bed at 6.oo am and up again at 9.30, and whether I shall sleep again before I get on the plane who can tell?

My mother told me it was a symbol of his professional status as a master carpenter, but I don't know exactly what it was.  I always assumed it was a turned piece, but it looks good as a rule, and I don't know that it wasn't.

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Re: Ultraviolet or infrared for faded writing?
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 19 February 06 07:53 GMT (UK) »
Okay,
       I didn't even know he was a carpenter until now, I imagine a good quality box rule would have been a symbol of a carpenter in those days - even now to some extent. And that certainly looks like one.
      I wonder if you may have some of his work still in the families possesion.
Ford, Baines, Dixon, Platts, Peat, Proctor, Rotherforth, Dakin/Daykin, Sales, Beech, Hall, Parkin, Nightingale. ----- Harthill, Waleswood, Woodhouse-mill, Whitwell

South Yorkshire/Derbyshire/Nottinghamshire

Torremocha, Candog, Ramos, Reyes, Rodrigueus
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Re: Ultraviolet or infrared for faded writing?
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 19 February 06 08:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi

I have joined this thread rather late but:

Our local archives, (Nottingham), have a special cabinet for reading faded writing which I have always assumed is UV. Maybe the archives near to your Aunts has similar.

My husband was a joiner by trade and apart from special pieces he made he also has both special tools of his own and a collection of very old woodworking tools. So don't just ask about things he may have made, joiners and carpenters got very attached to box planes, chisels etc. and yes Terry has got a boxwood ruler.

Have a good trip.

Jane
Notts: Burrows, Comery, Foster, Beeson, Haynes, Swan.  Derbys: Burrows, Comery, Smith  Lincs: King.  Warks & Salop: Swan, Duffy.  Dublin: Duffy, Geraghty, Burgess.  Monmouth: Lewis

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Re: Ultraviolet or infrared for faded writing?
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 19 February 06 09:45 GMT (UK) »
Thank you.

I have just been searching the net to see if I could discover what the regalia for a master carpenter would have been, but so far nothing has emerged. 
http://www.robson.org/woodfaq/woodfaq_1.html was quite interesting, but though I wondered about the "jobstick" . . . nothing like an official emblem of his master status.  http://parentfrost.netfirms.com/Miersch%20Family%20and%20SS%20Rhein_files/Tischler.htm makes one feel one is almost there, but . . .
One day we might come across a picture or description.
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Re: Ultraviolet or infrared for faded writing?
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 19 February 06 14:09 GMT (UK) »
Notts: Burrows, Comery, Foster, Beeson, Haynes, Swan.  Derbys: Burrows, Comery, Smith  Lincs: King.  Warks & Salop: Swan, Duffy.  Dublin: Duffy, Geraghty, Burgess.  Monmouth: Lewis

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Re: Ultraviolet or infrared for faded writing?
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 19 February 06 14:17 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Heres a photo of a 1960s boxwood ruler.

Jane
Notts: Burrows, Comery, Foster, Beeson, Haynes, Swan.  Derbys: Burrows, Comery, Smith  Lincs: King.  Warks & Salop: Swan, Duffy.  Dublin: Duffy, Geraghty, Burgess.  Monmouth: Lewis

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Re: Ultraviolet or infrared for faded writing?
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 23 April 06 16:18 BST (UK) »
This is just an interim note to let you know that while I did not have joy with the ultraviolet lamp I got, and anyway my camera had filled up with photos the day before, my cousin was able to get some shots with her camera, which give pretty good views.  The back endpapers were not covered in faded writing as I thought, but were just mottled.  At this stage, I am wondering whether the writing was to record the change of ownership of the Bible, possibly from its original use as a chained Bible to private ownership, but that's just guesswork based on my interpretation of one word there, sale, which might be misread anyway.
I will attach what I can; I read thus:
Hugh Gadwalad iw gwir berchenog y llifyr (llyfr) hwn 1717.
(gochwyl?) gwilia os gweli ni/roi hynws ymhirach
mwin grasol idi ym groigg dig Dafudd os dygi fi
Morus Jones his hand

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William Huse his Book 1762
and Sale 1762
Hugh Williams his hand and Book 1762

It's not much more than I had before, but at least I know there is not a great list of ancestors named in faded writing!

Rowena




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Re: Ultraviolet or infrared for faded writing?
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 23 April 06 16:30 BST (UK) »
A couple more of the pics, which I will try to make smaller than the others turned out
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