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Help with DIXON - all getting too much...
« on: Sunday 12 February 06 11:02 GMT (UK) »
Rather new to this but getting confused on how to figure this out without spending a fortune on ordering BMD certificates.

Dixon family Cumberland
We know G Grandfather was John Thomas Dixon born Harrington or Workington 1878.  - There are two of these one Penrith the other Whitehaven. - have marriage and death cert but details not known

John Thomas Dixon has listed his father as Thomas on marriage cert.  In small book from Boer war he has listed Sarah in brackets under Thomas' name in parents part - Grandmother or mother but deceased??

If parents are Thomas and Sarah Dixon - are they they ones that married in 1870 at Penrith (nee Kitchen) or in 1868 (nee Atkinson) in Penrith or the ones in 1875 (nee Denkin) in Penrith.

How do you tell which path to follow.....especially when children's names are all similar too...

Cheers
Dixon - Cumbria, England/New Zealand
Stables - Cumbria, England
Eckersley - Cumbria,  England
Brigham - Cumbria, England/New Zealand
Whitehead - Lancashire/Cumbria, England
Wilson - Lancashire/Cumbria England
McKeand - Wigtownshire Scotland
Monaghan - not sure yet/New Zealand
Langley - Somerset, England
Pearce - England/New Zealand
Wensor - New Zealand

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Re: Help with DIXON - all getting too much...
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 12 February 06 12:37 GMT (UK) »
Harrington comes in Whitehaven Dist, Workington in Cockermouth Dist.

You missed this possible Thomas/Sarah marriage - I would hesitate in going to Penrith without good reason.

Marriages Jun 1874
**DIXON    Thomas Armstrong        Whitehaven    10b   1027   
**HANNAH    Sarah Jane         Whitehaven    10b   1027   
McLaughlin    Margaret         Whitehaven    10b   1027   
REID    Thomas         Whitehaven    10b   1027

Here is a possible birth-

Births Mar 1878
Dixon    John Thomas S         Whitehaven    10b   577

This accounts for one in Penrith

Deaths Sep 1878
Dixon    John Thomas    0    Penrith    10b   277

Unfortunately, Ancestry censuses are not available at the moment, we'll have to check later.
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Re: Help with DIXON - all getting too much...
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 21 February 06 14:39 GMT (UK) »
Hi
Can you give more information and say how you know it.  For instance, how do you know his date and place of birth?   Have you found him on a later census?   Who did he marry?  What kids did they have? What was his address and occupation at marriage?   What did his father do?   Who were the witnesses?   They are often family members and can help to distinguish between one family and another.   If you have some certificates then you actually can glean an awful lot from them.
I did not understand "There are two of these - one Penrith the other Whitehaven." 
The 1881 census is free to search on either ancestry.co.uk or familysearch.org   One way forward is to look at every Dixon male of the right age until you find one with father Thomas.
Let us know a bit more and I am sure someone will be able to help.
Andrea

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Re: Help with DIXON - all getting too much...
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 21 February 06 23:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi, thanks for your comments ;)

I have John Thomas Dixon's marriage certificate.

He had only just got back from the Boer War (why he was not on the 1901 Census.)

Certificate reads;

1903 The Parish Church, St Johns Workington, Cumberland
December 26(?)th 1903
John Thomas Dixon, 26, Bachelor, Labourer, Main St Distington, Father; Thomas Dixon deceased - quarryman
Annie Whitehead, 26,, Spinster, Furnace Row Workington, Father; William Whitehead deceased - miner.

Witnessed by
William Wilson (Annie's younger step brother)
Mary Annie Robinson

This is registered Cockermouth

I have 2 of his 4 childrens birth certificates born here in New Zealand which listed birth place and age of father (John Thomas Dixon) as Parton Cumberland, England.

On JT Dixon's death certificate it has Harrington, County Cumberland, England.  81 year (abt) . Father - Thomas Mother - unknown

There are two meaning there are 2 John Thomas Dixons born 1878 one in Penrith one in Whitehaven. - how do you tell which one is his without ordering them.

I hope this helps explain - or can you help me more??

Thanks heaps
Dixon - Cumbria, England/New Zealand
Stables - Cumbria, England
Eckersley - Cumbria,  England
Brigham - Cumbria, England/New Zealand
Whitehead - Lancashire/Cumbria, England
Wilson - Lancashire/Cumbria England
McKeand - Wigtownshire Scotland
Monaghan - not sure yet/New Zealand
Langley - Somerset, England
Pearce - England/New Zealand
Wensor - New Zealand


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Re: Help with DIXON - all getting too much...
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 22 February 06 00:21 GMT (UK) »

There are two meaning there are 2 John Thomas Dixons born 1878 one in Penrith one in Whitehaven. - how do you tell which one is his without ordering them.

The JTD born in Penrith died in Q3 1878, as I posted above.
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Re: Help with DIXON - all getting too much...
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 22 February 06 01:42 GMT (UK) »
Hi

There is no definitive answer - you follow all the paths until you have eliminated all but one (hopefully) or find definite proof of one.

As Geoff said - If the one in Penrith died, the one in Whitehaven is presumably yours - but - are you sure the year was 1878? Based on the marriage Dec 1903, age 26 I would think the birth was 1877 (but my arithmetic is not good). You have given us age at death (abt 81, but not year of death). - Ages given vary for many different reasons, so it is wise to search more than one year.

There are a couple of John Thomas Dixons registered in West Ward 1877 - which Genuki says is in Cumberland, but freeBDM says is in Westmoreland.  An English expert could no doubt explain.

As Andrea mentioned, you need to find him on a census.  The 1881 is free to view at familysearch.org .

There is no John Dixon listed with a father Thomas - so - either his father had died by 1881 OR there are spelling / location errors and you need to check virtually every John Dixon and perhaps every John Thomas born in Cumberland of the approx age. If you know the names of his siblings you could try searching for them.

There is a John Thomas of correct age, born Worthington, but his father is Edward, mother Catherine which tends to bring you back to the obvious - Harrington in Whitehaven.

If you think you have the correct person - you can buy the certificate - but note that the man born in Whitehaven is registered John Thomas S  - did your man have another name? Could this be a pointer that his mother's maiden name began with an S or is it simply for Samuel ???

I found a possible John Thomas in 1891 born Arlecdon - living at Cockermouth - but he is living at an industrial school - student and gardener. Is it possible he was an orphan?

Trish

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Re: Help with DIXON - all getting too much...
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 22 February 06 02:16 GMT (UK) »
Kia ora folks

Sorry JT Dixon died 1959 On son's birth age listed as 41 (1919)

Sister was Hannah Elizabeth Brigham (nee Dixon) that came from some Aunty's memory and her son Thomas Brigham came out to NZ to live with JT and Annie and their children.

Listed as next of kin on his small book under siblings - George and Edward and Hannah.

I can't find this family anywhere. - But yes do think that it might be John Thomas in Cockermouth Industrial School 1891.

Is that for delinquents, orphans or a mixture ??  Is there a school like this for girls that could have had sister Hannah??

Cheers
Elaine
Dixon - Cumbria, England/New Zealand
Stables - Cumbria, England
Eckersley - Cumbria,  England
Brigham - Cumbria, England/New Zealand
Whitehead - Lancashire/Cumbria, England
Wilson - Lancashire/Cumbria England
McKeand - Wigtownshire Scotland
Monaghan - not sure yet/New Zealand
Langley - Somerset, England
Pearce - England/New Zealand
Wensor - New Zealand

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Re: Help with DIXON - all getting too much...
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 22 February 06 02:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi Elaine and welcome to RootsChat!

I found this - hope this helps!!

http://www.missing-ancestors.com/CUMBERLAND%20COUNTY%20IND%20SCH%20COCKERMOUTH%20INFO%20PAGE.htm

This is a long list of other schools !! for girls also

http://www.missing-ancestors.com/ALPHABETICAL%20LIST%20OF%20ALL%20SCHOOLS.htm

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Re: Help with DIXON - all getting too much...
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 22 February 06 03:01 GMT (UK) »

Thank you ;D
Dixon - Cumbria, England/New Zealand
Stables - Cumbria, England
Eckersley - Cumbria,  England
Brigham - Cumbria, England/New Zealand
Whitehead - Lancashire/Cumbria, England
Wilson - Lancashire/Cumbria England
McKeand - Wigtownshire Scotland
Monaghan - not sure yet/New Zealand
Langley - Somerset, England
Pearce - England/New Zealand
Wensor - New Zealand