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Re: Nathaniel Hocking
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 28 February 06 11:02 GMT (UK) »
There's also an extracted marriage for John and Kitty, but I don't want to spoil the fun  :P - Come back to me if you can't find it.

I don't know how familiar you are with familysearch but there are 2 sorts of records on there: extracted records and submitted records. Those who are submitted by LDS members (and I see there are some for your family) are sometimes less reliable than the extracted records in as far as you don't know how serious the searcher who has submitted the record is.

The extracted records are copies from the church registers.

Tanja  :)


Tanja,
I posted my last message before reading your last message.
There is NO WAY I could have got to sleep without doing
that search:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
JN HOCKING     

Marriages:
     Spouse:     KITTY COURTIS    Family
     Marriage:     
08 AUG 1829      Ladock, Cornwall, England
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Two maiden names in one night. I am blown away.
I love that this woman is Kitty on her marriage
certificate and Kitty as an old woman, because I
know it's the same person (women died a lot in those
days because they kept pumping out babies ).
Still, it is odd that she is Kitty is on the marriage certificate and
on only the last census, yet it is Catherine and Christian
elsewhere. Yet the consistency of the children's names,
John's stone cutting and birthplace, etc., make me feel certain
this is my ancestor.
I appreciate the info about extracted, and how it differs from
submitted info. And I so appreciate all your help.
That said, it is 3am and I need to limp off to bed.
Thank you again for the amazing data!
Warm Regards,
Corny
Seeking:

emigration records for
Nathaniel Hocking (b. 1856 St Austell, St. Stephens)
from Cornwall to US about 1880-1883

Seeking records involving
Birth info and/or census data revealing
Parents and siblings of
Jane Howard Trevena of St Mewan b. about 1834


Birth info and/or
Parents and siblings of
Kitty Courtis (aka Catherine or Christian) of Newlyn
b. about 1811
d. at age 71 in 1881

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Re: Nathaniel Hocking
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 13 December 06 02:34 GMT (UK) »
Hi Corny,

Between tidying up, I have just been playing about in St Enoder, so thought I would revive this oldie - hope it brings you back, I see you have not been about in a while.  ;)

I see some things I think will interest you. There are two couples - John and Kitty and William and Elizabeth involved. On one day see a heap of baptisms listed 1 to John and Kitty and 4 to William and Elizabeth. I see William and Elizabeth are living at Pleasant Cottage in 1841 and in 1851 are next door to John at Hobbs. William is born Ladock so presume they are brothers. Some of these were hard to spot so hope I haven't missed any - some look like HOCKIN or even HOCKIA  - one even looked something more like ARCKIC  ;)

Anyway here are my findings  :)

Baptism's to John and Kitty at St Enoder

William 25 May 1834 of Hobbs Tenement father Stone Cutter
Philippa 2 May 1836 of Hobbs Tenement father Stone Cutter
Emma 19 Apr 1840  of Hobbs father Stone Cutter
Catherine 14 Sep 1845 of Pleasant Cottage father Stone Mason
Elizabeth Ann 6 Jul 1848 of Pleasant Cottage. Father Stone Cutter

Baptisms to William and Elizabeth at St Enoder

Susan 11 Mar 1840 of Pleasant Cottage father Stone Cutter
Sophia 14 Sep 1845 of Pleasant Cottage father Stone Mason
Francis 14 Sep 1845 of Pleasant Cottage father Stone Mason
Susan 14 Sep 1845 of Pleasant Cottage father Stone Mason
Amy 14 Sep 1845 of Pleasant Cottage father Stone Mason

Looks like they were between Church of England and Wesleyan Methodists as there were some Wesleyan baptisms also

St Columb Wesleyan Baptisms

22 Dec 1843 John HOCKING son of John and Kitty of St Enoder was baptised aged 5 weeks 4 days

20 Nov 1846 Selina HOCKING dau of John and Kitty of Queens was baptised aged 7 weeks

1 Jun 1849 Edward HOCKING son of John and Kitty of St Enoder was baptised (Born 18 April 1849)

and some to William and Elizabeth as well

27 Sep 1844 Emma HOCKING Dau of William and Elizabeth of St Enoder was baptised aged 4 Months

29 Jun 1849 William HOCKING son of William and Elizabeth of St Enoder was baptised (born 16 May 1849)

Burials St Enoder

Jane HOCKIN aged 13 of Pleasant Cottage 12 Nov 1848 (one of Williams)
John HOCKIN aged 14 0f Hobbs Tenement  1 Apr 1857 (one of Johns)
John HOCKING aged 52 of Pleasant Cottage 2 Feb 1860
Kitty HOCKING aged 76 of Ro-tu in St Enoder 22 Feb 1881

Couldn't find Amy - Baptism or Burial - Philippa didn't die she is a servant in 1851

HO107/1905 Folio 312 Page 6
St Columb Major


BASSETT John Cole Head 30 Mar b St Enoder Annuitant
BASSETT Amy Wife 31 Mar b St Issey
BASSETT John Cole 1 b St Columb
HOCKING Philippa Servant 14 b St Enoder House Servant

Merry Xmas   ;D  ;D  ;D Cheers Kris  :)
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Re: Nathaniel Hocking
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 14 December 06 08:24 GMT (UK) »
Parish Ladock
Name: Nathaniel HOCKING
Date 29th Jan 1832
Father John HOCKING: Mother Kitty

Brian
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Re: Nathaniel Hocking
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 14 December 06 09:11 GMT (UK) »
For the Record Books

1841 Census:

John Hocking: age 39: Stone Cutter.
Catherine Hocking: age 30.
Elizabeth Hocking: age 11.
Nathaniel Hocking: age 9.
William Hocking: age 7.
Philippa Hocking: age 5.
Catherine Hocking: age 2.
Amy Hocking: age 2 months.

Address:
Hobbs, St Enoder,
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William Hocking: age 65: Mason.
Philippa Hocking: age 70,
Lucinda ? Bant: age 10.

Address:
Menna Downs, Ladock.

Brian
Willoughby - Marlborough/Wiltshire
Thomas - llandanwg
Williams - Ebbw vale
Cottrell - Bristol
Staddon - Somerset
Hughes - Morriston
Hoskins - Devon


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Re: Nathaniel Hocking
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 14 December 06 09:32 GMT (UK) »
Marriage
Parish Mawnan
Husband: William HOCKING 
Wife: Philippa  ROBERTS
Date 13 Jun 1797
Willoughby - Marlborough/Wiltshire
Thomas - llandanwg
Williams - Ebbw vale
Cottrell - Bristol
Staddon - Somerset
Hughes - Morriston
Hoskins - Devon

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Re: Nathaniel Hocking
« Reply #23 on: Monday 01 January 07 20:30 GMT (UK) »
Marriage
Parish Mawnan
Husband: William HOCKING 
Wife: Philippa  ROBERTS
Date 13 Jun 1797

Dear Borneo,
If I am reading you correctly, you are adding a new set of Grandparents
to my line? The wedding date makes this couple the appropriate age
to be the parents of my gggg-grandfather John Hocking, stone cutter.
The names William and Phillipa work with the names of the children and
grandchildren of the prospective fit, and the occupation of William stone cutter
certainly fits too. Also the town! What a way to start the new year!
Thank you kindly, Borneo! What an amazing gift! It was so kind
of you to do the reserach! Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!
Sincerely,
Corney
Seeking:

emigration records for
Nathaniel Hocking (b. 1856 St Austell, St. Stephens)
from Cornwall to US about 1880-1883

Seeking records involving
Birth info and/or census data revealing
Parents and siblings of
Jane Howard Trevena of St Mewan b. about 1834


Birth info and/or
Parents and siblings of
Kitty Courtis (aka Catherine or Christian) of Newlyn
b. about 1811
d. at age 71 in 1881

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Re: Nathaniel Hocking
« Reply #24 on: Monday 01 January 07 21:15 GMT (UK) »
Hi Corny,

Between tidying up, I have just been playing about in St Enoder, so thought I would revive this oldie - hope it brings you back, I see you have not been about in a while.  ;)

I see some things I think will interest you. There are two couples - John and Kitty and William and Elizabeth involved. On one day see a heap of baptisms listed 1 to John and Kitty and 4 to William and Elizabeth. I see William and Elizabeth are living at Pleasant Cottage in 1841 and in 1851 are next door to John at Hobbs. William is born Ladock so presume they are brothers. Some of these were hard to spot so hope I haven't missed any - some look like HOCKIN or even HOCKIA  - one even looked something more like ARCKIC  ;)
Merry Xmas   ;D  ;D  ;D Cheers Kris  :)

Dear Kris,
Thank you so much for your help. I see you did much work on my behalf
and I so appreciate it!
I agree, William and John have got to be brothers, and according to Borneo's
work (which built further upon your findings) There seems to have been
a stone cutter named William who married a woman named Phillipa in 1790,
who lived in Laddock and had children and grandchildren named after themselves.
It's just all so amazing.
With the help of a groundskeeper at St. Enoder, I have a picture of the gravestone of
three of the folks you mention --
William & Kitty Hocking (my gggg-grandparents) and
their young son who dies at 14. These are all buried at St. Endoder.
Here it is
http://thechars.smugmug.com/photos/61832864-L.jpg
Note it says of "Retue" rather than ro-to. The groundskeeper
at St. Enoder said there is  no record of that spelling anywhere.
He said many of these little hamlets and were plowed down in
then name of mineral extraction, so it would be futile to go there
and look for them.  Still it would be fun to try if I can ever save
that kind of money.
Thank you again, so  much, for your time and work. Especiall
considering it was done during the holidays!
Wow! Thank you!
Friendly Regards,
Bonnie Char ( Corney)
Seeking:

emigration records for
Nathaniel Hocking (b. 1856 St Austell, St. Stephens)
from Cornwall to US about 1880-1883

Seeking records involving
Birth info and/or census data revealing
Parents and siblings of
Jane Howard Trevena of St Mewan b. about 1834


Birth info and/or
Parents and siblings of
Kitty Courtis (aka Catherine or Christian) of Newlyn
b. about 1811
d. at age 71 in 1881

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Re: Nathaniel Hocking
« Reply #25 on: Monday 01 January 07 21:42 GMT (UK) »
Hi Bonnie,

Glad to have helped. How very lovely of the groundskeeper to send you the photo. ;D It really is in good order and very legible isn't it for the last burial to have been 125 years ago. What a bonus to have it without having to journey to Cornwall to get it. Terribly kind of the gentleman. I have had some wonderful help from the St Enoder Churchwarder who seeked me out when a Bell was lowered that he thought would be of interest to me.

http://saint-enoder-bells.blogspot.com/

What a discovery for anyone connected with the persons named on these bells. Wouldn't it would be lovely to see these bells again hanging in their rightful place?

In the course of our later discussions he also sent me a lovely photo of a plaque which hangs inside the church. A very helpful man.  :) I would love to be in Cornwall and be able to see these things myself but when that is not possible a good clear photo is great.  ;)

With the parish records the rector just spells things how he hears them a lot of the time. The spelling in that entry was very clearly Ro-tu. I see places spelled different ways in entries all the time. It is lovely that you have the correct spelling of the hamlet even if it does not exist any more..

Glad you have a good start for the new year. New information is always wonderful. All the best with your research in 2007. If you have any further  queries please don't hesitate to ask.

Cheers Kris  :)
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Re: Nathaniel Hocking
« Reply #26 on: Monday 01 January 07 23:22 GMT (UK) »
Happy New Year Bonnie,

Brian
Willoughby - Marlborough/Wiltshire
Thomas - llandanwg
Williams - Ebbw vale
Cottrell - Bristol
Staddon - Somerset
Hughes - Morriston
Hoskins - Devon