BANTOFT family of Orford

[derbs]

Hi

Please could someone kindly look up 1871 and 1891 census for Bantoft family with mother Elizabeth, father George  sons Charles, William, Robert, Edward and daughters Kate Florence, Helen and Elsie. 

I am trying to find info that will give me the names of Helen's children form her marriage to Albert Derbyshire 1903 in London, 2 of which are Florence Derbyshire who married fred Fullilove and Charles Derbyshire who married Lilian Green nee Morris.

Thank you

[MJP]

Not sure I understnad what this has to do with Helen's later children, but here they are...

1891
RG12/1480 Folio 113 Page 10
Orford, Suffolk
Addresss: Quay Street
George Bautoft, Head, 48, labourer, b. Suffolk Chillesford
Elizabeth, Wife, 46, b. "
Charles, Son, 25, labourer, b. "
William, Son, 20, labourer, b. "
Florence, Daur, 15, Domestic Servant, b. Orford
Helen, Daur, 10, at school, b. "
Elise, Daur, 6, at school, b. "

[MJP]

And 1871 in Chillesford...

RG10/1764 Folio 17 Page 5
Chillesford, Suffolk
Address: Cottage
Edward Bantoft, Head, 49, Ag Lab, b. Suffolk Buttey
Caroline, Wife, 55, b. "
George, Son, 29, Ag Lab, b. Chillesford
Elizabeth, Daur-in-law, 27, b. "
Charles, grandson, 5, b. "
Kate Ellen, granddaughter, 3, b. "
William George, Son, 3mo, b. "
George Foreman, Lodger, 32, Ag lab, b. "

And on the same page, (1 family in between), are:

Address: Cottage
William Bantoft, Head, 34, Ag LAb, b. Chillesford
Eliza, Wife, 33, b. Orford
Hannah (13) Frederick (11) Alfred (9) all born Chillesford
Wallin (son, 8 ) born Suobourne (?)
Garnham (son, 5), Ellen (4), Charles (1) all born Chillesford

MJP 

[derbs]

Thank you MJP

I am trying to find the names of Helens children who were born London 1903-1925.  Family became estranged and only know the name of one, Charles Derbyshire born 1917 Camberwell.  Research has proved Florence to be another child but still looking.  I am hoping, know its a long shot that other researchers of the same family may have info

Thanks

[MJP]

Hi derbs,

I have access to the full BMD indexes so I'm just scanning for you.  Starting in 1911 they include mothers maiden name in the indexes.  So, I'm starting there (sorry - can't identify any possible children 1903-1911).

Here's a couple to get you started:

James Derbyshire, MMN Bantoft, Camberwell, June Qtr 1912, Vol 1d Page 1525
Florence Derbyshire, MMN Bantoft, Camberwell, Sep Qtr 1913 Vol 1d Page 1750

MJP

[derbs]

Thank you so much MJP.  I scoured through each page on 14 day trial, guess I missed James.  Derbyshire was a very uncommon name in Camberwell and there were 2 females born pre 1910 whi I think might possibly be siblings.  Thank you

[MJP]

No problem.  I found those two pre-1910 as well, but it seems to me a pretty big gap to have no children (between 1904 and 1910).  I wonder if they lived somewhere else for a while...

Good luck!

MJP

[derbs]

Hi

Yes it is a large gap but until 1900 ALbert the father was in the Navy, then served 2 years in the fire brigade.  It is possible he returned to the sea. 

[derbs]

In addition to the two pre 1911 entries of Elizabeth and Winifred there is a handwritten entry October - December 1905.  I am guessing that this could be first born son but no details of where born.  It could read as Albert Francis.  I am off to Southwark family study centre tomorrow to see if I can find family in later electoral roll, long shot I know but I know the area very well and most families remained in the same area.