Cornish Mystery

[Valda]

There is a book on the Emidy family

System number    009894084 
Author - personal    Emidy, Marjorie A. 
Title    The Emidy family : Joseph Antonio Emidy and Jane (Jenefer) Hutchins of Cornwall England and some descendants / Marjorie A. Emidy. 
Publisher/year    Viroqua, Wis. : [The author], 2000. 
Physical descr.    257 p. :  ill., ports. ;  28 cm. 
General note    Includes name index. 
Person as subject    Emidy family. 
Hutchins, Jane, 1778-1842. 
Emidy, Joseph, d. 1835. 
Holdings (All)    Details 
Shelfmark    YA.2000.b.1697 Request 

This is taken from the British Library Catalogue but it is also in the Library of Congress so I think it was probably published in America.

http://www.loc.gov/catdir/toc/fy052/00301320.html

Regards

Valda

[krisesjoint]

So much more excellent work here. I agree I think we do need the information from that death cert..... This Amelia JAP has found on FreeCen, I am sorry to say that the page is  unreadable. I cannot even guarantee her name is Amelia...maybe A? but only because I am talking myself into it second letter is m, what I thought was a dot of an i may actually be all that is visible of the top of the l. Honestly I just don't know how it has been transcribed. Surname, no idea, sorry I  just couldn't hazard a guess. Age also looks like 1 with little 0 to me, perhaps even age 6. Age 15 I just can't see....She is a Pupil. Where the Pauper's appear I just can't say either The "pauper" has been scribbled through and I just can't tell you what it says. Looking at some of the names of neighbours and comparing them to image I think FreeCen have done a really good job as when I see what they say and then look at the scan again  some of them I can see.  I have sat here looking for the last couple of hours or more and it isn't helping. So Sorry to be no help. It would have been great to find this second Amelia...Kris 

[deb usa]

Hi Valda, JAP and Kris
You guys are so GREAT!!!!!!  I have found myself reading and rereading your entries and trying to put all of it together.
So...what do I do...i will order the death cert...can i order online???
or do i phone them???  Also could you give me the info so that i can  order the right death cert.....
By the way what info do they give on this cert....?
i feel really useless as i am not adding much info to this search!
 
have a good day
deb

[Valda]

The reference for the Amelia death certificate for obtaining the death certificate from the General Register Office is

Deaths
June Quarter 1842
Registration district Truro
Volume 9 Page 245
CARNARTON  Amelia   

The General Register Office website where you can order the certificate is

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificate/

They are geared up to sending certificates overseas otherwise I might have recommended Truro registry office itself because they would probably be quicker at producing the certificate.

Amelia's death certificate alone may not solve the issue.
If it rules out an older woman then that is probably it for Amelia Carnartons, because there must surely be a limit to how many of these actually existed. JAP is really truly amazing on how many Carnartons she can keep producing out of her IGI 'magician's hat' but she isn't I don't think going to find three. So that would solve the issue.

Alternatively if it rules out a younger woman we are still left with the problem of whether there was only ever one or were there two Amelias -whether the 1841 census showed the only one there was with the wrong age when she was actually the younger Amelia!
 
Along with Amelia's age on the death certificate and her cause of death you get the name of who registered the death, but this early not their relationship, if any, to the deceased. English death certificates don't go overboard in the information stakes. You also get where Amelia died. She may of course not have died in Kenwyn which could mean an Amelia elsewhere on the 1841 census to have another look for. If she was the younger Amelia instead of an occupation you may get the daughter of ........ If the death was sudden and she died from an unknown cause we may get the added bonus of an inquest (no idea on the survival rates of Cornish inquest records but that will only be of interest if there was one).

The other web address at some point you are probably going to need is Cornwall's record Office where the quarter session records are held amongst a mass of other records.

http://www.cornwall.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=307

Regards

Valda

[Valda]

Just some tidying up
- as I was looking at anyone in Kenwyn on the 1851 census who was born Helston at the beginning of the C19th/late C18th I saw this couple

1851 census HO107 1910 folio 311
Carelew? Street Kenwyn  Cornwall   
Richard Dennis 53  Kenwyn, Cornwall,  Head Married  Bargeman
Mary Dennis 60  Helstone, Cornwall, Wife Married Bargeman's wife

1861 census RG9 1559 folio 32
Carelew? Street Kenwyn  Cornwall   
Richard Dennis 63 Kea, Cornwall,  Head  Married Labourer
Mary Dennis 70  Helstone, Cornwall,  Wife Married Labourer's wife

Deaths Sep 1867
Dennis  Mary  78  Truro  5c 102
Deaths Dec 1869
Dennis  Richard  73  Truro  5c 117

IGI children of Richard and Mary
ALICE DENNIS
Christening: 22 AUG 1819 Kenwyn, Cornwall
WILLIAM DENNIS
Christening: 12 OCT 1823 Kenwyn, Cornwall
CHARLES DENNIS
Christening: 03 JUL 1825 Kenwyn, Cornwall
RICHARD DENNIS
Christening: 08 JUN 1828 Kenwyn, Cornwall

Marriage Kenwyn 11 Apr 1819
Richard DENNIS   
Mary CARNANTON

Helston 20 Mar 1791
Charles CARNARTHAN
Margaret PERROW

Still haven't found any connection with this family and tanning which is a trifle worrying.

Regards

Valda

[deb usa]

Hi  again
Have been doing my own searching today...well trying to at least. I just had this thought ...Charles had a baby sister called Emily (she was 1 year old in 1841)...do you think she might have been the one that died in 1842 and that her name was transcribed as amelia on death record and not Emily? whaty i am trying to say is that would it be possible for emily to have become an Amelia??
i have tried to check the 1851 census to see if she was still around but too no avail!!!!
am i clutching at straws here ? 
so if we can possibly prove that emily died after 1841 census then maybe she is the amelia who died in 1842.
what do you all think?
regards
Deb

[fizzybubble]

Perhaps he was a tinner and not a tanner.

Fizzy

[fizzybubble]

If you email CRO and ask them to look up the BURIAL for Amelia in 1842 that should tell you the age she was and save you going to the expense of paying for a death certificate. It may tell you whose child she was too.

They will do this for free. I know that as they recently did one for me.

Fizzy

[fizzybubble]

THE NAME EMILY

Read :
http://www.geocities.com/zoeyl_au/Emilythename.html


Fizzy