Need a challenge? try this one for a look up

[AussieGenealogy]

This one will test anyones wits I think as it surely has tested mine.

Searching for a birth record whatever you can locate on a

Charles Vallender/Valendar/Velinder Fawcett    born abt 1848 Yorkshire.

Married - wife unknown,  2 daughters names and ages unknown.
Apparently a Painter by trade.
Died West Australia in 1905 aged about 57.

An Englishman that challenged our Outback and lost .........

[Arranroots]

Hi Annie

Have you tried searching the Birth Indexes here:

http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=List&dbid=8964&offerid=0%3a679%3a0

I looked for FAUCETT/ FAWCETT for 1847 & 8 and part of 1846 without finding him, but you could have a go at Vallender too, in case he was registered with another surname.

Have you any clues to when he emigrated?

Who registered his death?

kind regards, Arranroots 

[AMBLY]

Hi AnnieCJ

Where in WA die he die or was buried in 1905? I'm thinking if you can find his burial record, his wife may be recorded in same plot?

You say he had 2 unknown daughters , wife unknown:

Have you seen    the digitised record in NAA for a male:
Charles Vallender FAWCETT born Perth WA abt 1888, who signed up in WW1 in 1916 at age 28 and half? He signed himself as "Chas V FAWCETT".
http://www.naa.gov.au/the_collection/recordsearch.html


Cheers
AMBLY

[AussieGenealogy]

Hi Ambly,
He died in/near Laverton Mt Morgan, I have the coronors report as well as the paper clipping of the day. I have attached his death certificate .
The WW1 record is that of my grandfather - I am looking for his father also Charles V.

There are a lot of spelling variations of this name.

hi Arranroots,

I have no idea who gave the details for the death certificate I guess possibly his Australian wife Mary Ann, I presume the 2 daughters mentioned are still in Yorkshire as a marriage is also registered in Yorkshire -  but no wifes name.
The only other clue given is his fathers name and occupation - George and that he was a Commercial traveller.

I guess from his death cert he had emmigrated about 1890, although I haven't found any entries on any passenger lists for him.  Family tales are of him "jumping ship" in Australia.

Its a needle in the haystack job.......

[liverpool annie]

Hi Annie ! - I found this !

FAWCETT Charles - Mt Morgans Cemetery Section A 61 buried 19 Oct 1905 aged 57 Death cert 1524 Mt Margaret District: Painter lost in the bush: born Yorkshire

http://members.westnet.com.au/dunc/general/morgan.html

Apparently Laverton Mt Morgan is a ghost town - but there are caretakers there who give talks about the area and the people - might be worth an e-mail !!

http://www.abc.net.au/cgi-bin/common/printfriendly.pl?http://www.abc.net.au/goldfields/stories/s1131539.htm

Annie 

[AMBLY]

Hi AnnieCJ
Oh! OK, now I get it, ...

Charles V FAWCETT Snr had a family (wife & 2 daughters) in the UK, possibly Yorkshire,  and presumably before he came to Australia and there married again to Mary Ann - which is where the son, your Grandfather came in....That  son was born abt 1888 in Australia according to both his NAA record and death record in Fremantle's Karrakatta Cemetery, so assume Charles arrived earlier than 1890....?

If he jumped ship, could be he was crew or Merchant Service maybe? Possibly changed or rearranged his name to avoid detection? ....hmm large haystack, small needle indeed!

I assume there is no clues to be had from his Australian marriage?

You say: a marriage is also registered in Yorkshire .......sorry if I'm being dim, but what does this mean?

Cheers
AMBLY

[liverpool annie]

Hi Girls !

Well I couldn't read the death certificate so ..... you probably already know what I found !! 

These guys must have all had a script ...... one of mine had a wife and 2 children - became a sailor ... jumped ship - got married had a second family in Australia - and threw a "hissy" when 7 years later he went back home and found wife #1 living with someone else !! ...................

Wonder whereabouts in Yorkshire he came from ? do you have the first marriage certificate ? what does it say ? Wonder what it says on his headstone ?

Annie 

[Arranroots]

I am interested that in your signature you have "FAWCETT Derbyshire and Yorkshire".

Are there more clues (easier to work with ALL the information!) 

As Annie says, if your guy made part of the story up, who knows which bits are true?  What does your grandfather's birth cert say about his father?  How did Chas the First remarry if his Yorkshire marriage was still valid (and known about by at least one surviving relative on his death?)

I think you might have to wade through the BMDs as recommended earlier.  My only worry being that he was using a made up name.

Let us know if anything surfaces!

A 

[JAP]

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Are there more clues (easier to work with ALL the information!) 

... 

So true, so true!!   

Please provide all the information you have.

Help us to help you 

AnnieCJ, give us a summary of all that you know and perhaps ...

I'm used to Vic death certs - didn't WA death certs include the name of the informant?

JAP