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Offline Jan Ann

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Public Houses on Crump St Liverpool 1841
« on: Thursday 04 May 06 22:11 BST (UK) »
Hi There

My GGG Grandma Ellen Brown is living in a Public house  :o on Crump St Liverpool St Thomas district in 1841, the Publican is William Barton and his wife Elizabeth.

Does anyone know of any Pubs on this street, past & present? - does it still exist?

Cheers
Jan :D
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TIVEY, WILDE,
Alker, Barmore, Birchall, Bird, Bryan, Chant, Clare,  Crump, Dow, Edwards, Fairbrother, Faulkner, Frearson, Frogson, Glew, Halliday, Heathcote, Hesford, Holliday, Jones, Knight, Massey, Mather, McKenna, Mee, Melling, Neal, O'Brien, Ottewell, Pimblett, Pinks, Price, Quinn, Rampling, Richards, Richardson, Rowley, Royle, Shakespeare, Shaw, Sheldon, Tandy, Thompson, Wade, Walker,  & more!

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Re: Public Houses on Crump St Liverpool 1841
« Reply #1 on: Friday 05 May 06 00:30 BST (UK) »
Crump St is off Parliament St Liverpool 1  been awhile since I was down that part of Liverpool
Litler > Ashton in Makerfield
Partington > Ashton in Makerfield
Crank > Ashton in Makerfield Lancs
Crank > Liverpool
Egan > Seaforth/Litherland Liverpool
Roberts > Litherland from 1916

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Re: Public Houses on Crump St Liverpool 1841
« Reply #2 on: Friday 05 May 06 10:24 BST (UK) »
To use the term public house is very strange for 1841.  Do you know what sort of establishment they were running?

Was it a beerhouse, a tavern or an Inn.

If it was a beerhouse then they probably had the annual 2 guinea licence to sell beer from their front room.  Around this time there were a number of these on every street in Liverpool.  They were usually secondary sources of income for the labouring workforce.  Very few of these survived beyond 1869 when the beerhouse act was repealed.

A tavern required a much more expensive licence of 50 per year to sell spirits and all spirits which were sold were taxed at 1 per gallon.  Inns didn't usually have spirits licence but did provide accomodation.

The people who kept these were Licensed victuallers or Tavern or Inn keepers.  These are much more likely to have survived.

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Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley.
Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse, Stevens, Batchelor
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Re: Public Houses on Crump St Liverpool 1841
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 06 May 06 12:10 BST (UK) »
Hi David

Fascinating - i had no idea!

I dont know what type of establishment it was all i can tell you is that Ellen Brown is living with William Barton 'Publican' and his wife Elizabeth at Crump Street Liverpool.

Take a look at the image

Can anyone also explain what the abreviation for ellen's occupation means?

Robbo - does the street still exist then?

Cheers
Jan :D
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TIVEY, WILDE,
Alker, Barmore, Birchall, Bird, Bryan, Chant, Clare,  Crump, Dow, Edwards, Fairbrother, Faulkner, Frearson, Frogson, Glew, Halliday, Heathcote, Hesford, Holliday, Jones, Knight, Massey, Mather, McKenna, Mee, Melling, Neal, O'Brien, Ottewell, Pimblett, Pinks, Price, Quinn, Rampling, Richards, Richardson, Rowley, Royle, Shakespeare, Shaw, Sheldon, Tandy, Thompson, Wade, Walker,  & more!

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Re: Public Houses on Crump St Liverpool 1841
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 06 May 06 16:48 BST (UK) »
FS probably meaning female servant.

As he is describing himself as a publican rather than a licenced victualler I suspect that it is a beerhouse.  However  if Ellen is their servant rather than just lodging with them it would be a little more than just a front room establishment and may be a full time occupation.

It would be interesting to know what sort of housing was in Crump Street at that time.  What occupations were the neighbours employed in according to the census?

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Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley.
Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse, Stevens, Batchelor
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Re: Public Houses on Crump St Liverpool 1841
« Reply #5 on: Friday 23 March 18 16:57 GMT (UK) »
http://liverpoolmurders.blogspot.com/2013/04/shipwreck-victim-and-brothel-owner.html

I have attached an interesting article from a blog spot about a Brown on Crump St.
I was looking because I also have ancestors who lived on Crump Street.
Diane

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Re: Public Houses on Crump St Liverpool 1841
« Reply #6 on: Friday 23 March 18 18:33 GMT (UK) »
This may be much too late for the original query but, for the record,  in 1909 33 Crump Street was the 'Railway Hotel', which closed in 1911.  It was on the corner of Crump and Parliament Streets.
The Farmers Arms was 17 Greenland Street, on the corner of Crump and Greenland Streets, but did not renew the licence in 1910.
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Re: Public Houses on Crump St Liverpool 1841
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 24 March 18 10:06 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Ainslie, much appreciated  :)
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TIVEY, WILDE,
Alker, Barmore, Birchall, Bird, Bryan, Chant, Clare,  Crump, Dow, Edwards, Fairbrother, Faulkner, Frearson, Frogson, Glew, Halliday, Heathcote, Hesford, Holliday, Jones, Knight, Massey, Mather, McKenna, Mee, Melling, Neal, O'Brien, Ottewell, Pimblett, Pinks, Price, Quinn, Rampling, Richards, Richardson, Rowley, Royle, Shakespeare, Shaw, Sheldon, Tandy, Thompson, Wade, Walker,  & more!