Orr family from Lurgan

[MargaretJ]

Many thanks for everyone's replies.  We had put the Orr family to one side while concentrating on another topic (Jewell sisters - which has been very successful). Have noted all the interesting info and will get back to everyone as soon as we have looked at it properly.

Margaret

[Colin Y]

Hello,

..yes, I know, long time no hear! Sorry about that lots going on!

I recently visited a small welsh border town and found my William and Lydia Fryers history by utter chance.

He joined the Excise in 1842 and NA are sending me a copy of his record.

It is understood that he was posted to NI early on and had two children - Emily and Frederick both Chr at Camus Junta Mourne (Strabane today) in 1851 and 1854.

I then realised that the brother who was aged 80 and visiting Emily on 1911 Census day could not be her brother though he cited Antrim as his place of Birth. So I have researched him through Scottish records and found that he was an Engineer living in Coatbridge, Lanarkshire married to a Margaret nee Bell. They were both born in Ireland and married in Ireland too.

They had a big Family including a young Emily who I have also research a bit more and found that she was my Grandma's Aunt Emmy who visited the South in her dotage, probably 1950-70. She lived in Morningside Edinburgh in  house left to her by the Family who lived there who she had nursed for her lifetime. She had all the benefits - chauffeur and RR and was very grand to us young things who had to cal upon her in The Royal Worcester Hotel at Droitwich when she 'visited'.

The puzzle now is to find out where Robert came from. He could have been a brother of William but if he was born 1831 he cannot have been brother to my Gt Granny Emily who married J G Pentland in Lurgan in 1870.

Do you have any linking data, perchance?

When I have some more info from NA I will let you know. I have also asked form Emmys 1975 Death Record from Scotland which will confirm her parents were Robert and Margaret.... by the way the children in Lanark were ALL born there, none in Ireland!

Colin

[Sunnyhill]

I am related to

Bob orr m Elizabeth Fryer, born c 1910?? Lurgan???

Selina Ligett b 1869, lived at Princes Street Lurgan, m Thomas Cassells

Jim Foy m Muriel Fryer, b about 1910??  Lurgan???

Have got quite a few new dates from the GRONI BDM search

Elizabeth Fryer [b 21 Dec 1912 Belfast] m Bob Orr 12 May 1939 Lisburn.

[Colin Y]

Your Fryers all seem too recent for my Fryers.

Mine in Ireland were born 1831 Antrim and 1851 and 1854 Strabane / Camus. I believe they are related - probably cousins. Their fathers names were Samuel and William.

Any bells? William may show his place of birth as Wales c1826

Colin

[Sunnyhill]

Your Fryers all seem too recent for my Fryers.

Mine in Ireland were born 1831 Antrim and 1851 and 1854 Strabane / Camus. I believe they are related - probably cousins. Their fathers names were Samuel and William.

Any bells? William may show his place of birth as Wales c1826

Colin

Hi Colin, still haven't got any further back than Robert b abt 1861. That is a big age gap between your Robert and Emily?

[Colin Y]

Yes but he had a brother born the same year as her but not nearby!

I dont have family that I know of in NI after c 1880 so your 1910 is almost recent!

Try Aghalee in Antrim in your.searches! Try also any alt spelling for the surname even Fr----

[Colin Y]

Hello

Heavy work but lots getting sorted now.

I cannot find my Gt Grannie Emily Elizabeth Frair/s or Fryer's Birth but she was evidently born c 1852 and in Antrim. Her Dad was Samuel and her Mum must have been Elizabeth McCreanor.

Their Family were all born in Aghalee:

Robert FRYER

Birth   1833   Co Antrim, Ireland
Death   1915   Old Monkton, Coatbridge, Lanark, Scotland
Birth   1831   Co Antrim, Ireland
Death      Lanark, Scotland
Spouse   Margaret BELL
Marriage:   1859   Aghalee, Antrim, Ulster
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2 F   Eliza FRYER
Birth   29 Apr 1833   Aghalee, Antrim
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3 M   Charles FRYER
Birth   6 Jul 1835   Aghalee, Antrim
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4 F Harriet FRYER
Birth   5 Feb 1837   Aghalee, Antrim
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5 F   Jane Anna FRYER
Birth   11 Apr 1841   Aghalee, Antrim
Spouse   Thomas McKEOWN
Marriage   24 Sep 1864   Shankill, Armagh, Ireland
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6 M   Thomas FRYER
Birth   15 Jun 1847   Aghalee, Antrim
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7 M   John FRYER
Birth   23 Jul 1851   Aghalee, Antrim
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8 F   Emily Elizabeth FRYER
Birth   1852   Antrim
Death   March Q 1937   Sparkbrook, Birmingham
Birth   1 Dec 1851   Camus Juxta Mourne, County Tyrone, Ireland
Spouse   Joseph George PENTLAND Sen.
Marriage   22 Oct 1870   Shankill Church, Lurgan, Armagh

So if these are the parents of your two Fryer wives the two boys are their parents or grandparents?


The other Samuel Fryers Family were not that far away:

Name   Samuel FRYERS
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Birth   6 Mar 1836   Magheramesk/Aghalee, Antrim, Ireland
Occ      Weaver
Father   William FRYERS (1815-1884)
Mother   Ruth IRWIN (~1821-)
Other spouses   Ellen McConkey
Marriage   30 Sep 1858   Lisburn, Co Antrim
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Spouse   Ellen McCONKEY
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Birth   1832   Aghallon & Ballinderry, Co Antrim
Father   John McCONAGHY
Mother   Anne McAlinden
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Children
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1 F   Margaret Anne FRYERS
Birth   5 Sep 1859   Tullyballydonnell, Ballinderry, C Antrim
Spouse   George PEPPER
Marriage   15 Nov 1866   Knocknamuckly, Armagh, Ireland
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2 M William John FRYAR
Birth   8 Jun 1862   Aghalee, Antrim, Ireland
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3 M   Isaac FRYERS
Birth   29 Aug 1865   Aghalee, Antrim, Ireland
Death   abt 1901
Birth   23 Apr 1865   Brackna Hill, Glenavy Co., Antrim, Ireland
Spouse   Margaret Annie THOMPSON
Spouse   Margaret Annie Thompson
Marriage   11 Jul 1890   Trinity Church of Ireland, Belfast, Ireland
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4 M   Thomas Henry FRIAR
Birth   14 Mar 1868   Clanrolla, Lurgan, Armagh
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5 F   Eleanor Jane FRYERS
Birth   27 Apr 1875   Taylors Lane, Lurgan No 1, Armagh


Notes for Samuel FRYERS
Variously spelled Fryer/Friar/Friars
REsident in Ballinderry, Aghadavy, Antrim 1851

Notes for Samuel FRYERS
Samuel Fryers was a Weaver

Notes for Ellen McCONKEY
Residant at Ballinderry,


So, there are two more Male Fryer/Friars who may be your parent of grandparents of those two wives.

The first Family are MINE! Anything you find please let me know. The second is interesting but not mine.

I hope these help

Colin

[karbarm]

Hi, I am interested in Orr Family from Lurgan Armagh, my husband's ggrandmother was Mary Jane Orr born in Lurgan c 1837 to james and Elizabeth Orr. She came out to South Australia in 1855 and married here. There is a letter in the S Aus archives form her mother Elizabeth written in 1859 asking for her to write home. I am just waiting on a copy of this letter being digitized and sent to me. It confirms her shipping arrival and that her Father's name is James Orr and he was a shemaker in Lurgan . Looks like the same family you are talking about. Hope you find this,
Karen

[karbarm]

Typo...James was a Shoemaker not shemaker !