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COMPLETED Andrew Cumming married Jane Stark Miller
« on: Saturday 24 June 06 09:54 BST (UK) »
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Does anyone has information on this couple please.

Jane was born in Corfu Pembroke USA abt 1841.
 Andrew born Ayrshire about same time.

Its the parents of the above I'd like to discover.

Most of their children born on the West Coast South Island
 
 
 
 
Hall -Devon,
Atkinson-Gateshead Durham.
Weir - Swansea
Sumner - Warwickshire
Morrall - Warwickshire
Hill -Cornwall, Australia and NZ
Penhallurick - Cornwall and Australia
McNally - Ireland and UK
Tooze - Devon

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Re: Andrew Cumming married Jane Stark Miller
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 24 June 06 10:23 BST (UK) »
Hi telephonist,

Nowdays those details are given on marriage registrations but only after 1880. I note that your couple were married in 1867 according to the index. I suggest you write to the Registrar of BDM's and ask for the printout of the entry, NOT, I repeat NOT a certificate.

The printout contains additional information, specifically in this case the names of the witnesses. In many marriages these are parents or other relatives that may aid your research. The registrar's reference is 1867, folio1430. If that fails try their death entries. I note an Andrew Cumming died at Kokatahi on the West Coast on 16 July 1918 and that the Archives hold a probate from 1828 in favour of Jane Starke Cumming also of Kokatahi. He must be your man. Best of luck.

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Re: Andrew Cumming married Jane Stark Miller
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 24 June 06 10:34 BST (UK) »
Found both buried in Hokitika,  Andrew on 11. 07.1918 and Jane Stark on 24. 10. 1926.

Go to http://www.westlanddc.govt.nz/

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Re: Andrew Cumming married Jane Stark Miller
« Reply #3 on: Friday 28 July 06 07:28 BST (UK) »
I have just received the printout of marriage of Andew and Jane, disappointed to find no parents names  or where from etc but did note she is a widow!  And one of her witnesses is a David Miller so where to now???
Hall -Devon,
Atkinson-Gateshead Durham.
Weir - Swansea
Sumner - Warwickshire
Morrall - Warwickshire
Hill -Cornwall, Australia and NZ
Penhallurick - Cornwall and Australia
McNally - Ireland and UK
Tooze - Devon


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Re: Andrew Cumming married Jane Stark Miller
« Reply #4 on: Friday 28 July 06 10:04 BST (UK) »
Hi Telephonist

That is disappointing for you! I guess the next step is to get the death certificates and there was mention of a Probate/will for Jane?

What were the names of their children - especially, but not only, the Scots favoured traditional naming patterns for their children and Andrew & Jane may have followed it in part....

Do you know if MILLER was her maiden name? If so, David MILLER the witness could be a brother perhaps....

Do you know when they arrived in NZ - Andrew,I see from this website,  was here from at least 1862.
http://www.sandgate.net/~ailsa/fiftygoldrushimmigrants.htm

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Re: Andrew Cumming married Jane Stark Miller
« Reply #5 on: Friday 28 July 06 10:33 BST (UK) »
Time for their death entries I would say.

Intriguing though. If she was a widow then who is David Miller? Is she using her maiden name and is David her brother? Is the widow designation an error? Certainly can't find any other marriage for her.
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Re: Andrew Cumming married Jane Stark Miller
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 29 July 06 06:35 BST (UK) »
I received these death details from the Funeral Director office in Hokitika.
As I was told Jane was American I have traced a Corfu to USA!

Next step is Wellington for the probate/will! Thanks for all the help.

NAME                                            Jane Stark Cumming
DATE OF DEATH                       22 Oct. 1926
BORN                                            Isle Of Corfew ???
RESIDENCE                               
AGED                                             85
MARRIED                                     Andrew Cumming
FATHERS NAME                         
FATHERS OCCUPATION         
MOTHERS NAME                       Jane Cummings (nee Stark)
 

NAME                                            Andrew Cumming
DATE OF DEATH                       16 July 1918
BORN                                           Asyshire Scotland ???
RESIDENCE                                 
AGED                                             79
MARRIED                                     Jane Stark Miller
FATHERS NAME                         Andrew Cumming
FATHERS OCCUPATION         
MOTHERS NAME                       ??????   Murdoch

 

Hall -Devon,
Atkinson-Gateshead Durham.
Weir - Swansea
Sumner - Warwickshire
Morrall - Warwickshire
Hill -Cornwall, Australia and NZ
Penhallurick - Cornwall and Australia
McNally - Ireland and UK
Tooze - Devon

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Re: Andrew Cumming married Jane Stark Miller
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 29 July 06 08:32 BST (UK) »
To add to your most recent posting, I went to the library this afternoon and whilst there looked up the monumental inscription recorded on Andrew and Jane’s headstone. It was as follows

Sacred to the memory of ANDREW CUMMING of Bloomfield, native of Cummock, Ayrshire Scotland born October 1838 died 16 July 1918. Also his beloved wife JANE, died 22 October 1926 aged 85 and their daughters MINA died 17 November 1943 aged 75, MARION died 9 February 1947 aged 73, JANE died 2 December 1950 aged 79.

Clearly the stone was erected after 1950.

There was also a record of a William Cumming who died 23 May 1962 aged 88. He might also be related. Perhaps a son.

The history of the Hokitika Borough Council records that in its first election on 3 October 1866 an Andrew Cumming, a storekeeper was elected. It includes a photo montage of those elected including a heavily bearded Andrew. Difficult to guess his age but he certainly looks around 30. I wonder what his obituary might have said? This Andrew and yours might be one and the same person.

Stark as the maiden name of her mother fits easily within the normal British naming patterns and if Andrew had any say his parents names will be amongst their children as well.

Finally parents were often the official witnesses at weddings so it is possible that David Miller is her father.
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Re: Andrew Cumming married Jane Stark Miller
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 30 July 06 09:28 BST (UK) »
This is the same person thanks so much for taking the time to do this. Which library did you find these details so i can look up for other family members too. I hope to find out more about Jane when i go to Wgtn soon and look up the archives for a Will document.
Hall -Devon,
Atkinson-Gateshead Durham.
Weir - Swansea
Sumner - Warwickshire
Morrall - Warwickshire
Hill -Cornwall, Australia and NZ
Penhallurick - Cornwall and Australia
McNally - Ireland and UK
Tooze - Devon