WINTER Family

[baloo]

Can any body help, I am trying to find the parents (my GG/Grand parents) of my G/Grand father Edward Winter who was born 1852/53 in Henbury Berkshire. I have Edward in the 1871 census but can't find him in the 1861 census. I think that my GG/Grand mothers first name was Hannah.

Many thanks

Baloo

[PaulineJ]

Things yet to list/verify before posting a request such as this would be:

census: location, age, birthplace, companions AT EACH CENSUS until known death.
             Date/geography can and does change.

BMD records: (Birth in this case) are there entries which tally?

Background: Whereabouts _is_ Henbury?. I've lived in Berks, and I've not come across it.
                     You might list the surrounding towns, (from multimap/alternatives)
                      give the census registration district(s) (from National archives site, or deduction from 1881 index)

You cannot rely on accurate transcription, nor anyone having intimater knowledge of a county's geography.
Always try to fill in what you can when making a request.

Pauline

[Necromancer]

Hi Baloo - its daunting at first !

No worries - welcome

Its Newbury ! not Henbury - it helps to have a bit of UK Geography (even if you dont live there ....)

Have you found him in later census ?

and he is a Winter, not an 1871 mis-tran .. as seen in this Birth Index entry....

Births Mar 1851
Winter  Edward Henry    Newbury  6 260

[Necromancer]

From the IGI  .... possible Baptism , Chievely in the Regn District of Newbury

EDWARD HENRY WINTER 
  ~~~~~~~~
Event(s):
 Birth: 
 Christening:  22 APR 1851   Chieveley, Berkshire, England
 
 ~~~~~~~~
Parents:
  Father:  RICHARD WINTER  Family
  Mother:  FRANCES     
 

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Messages:
 Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record.

[Necromancer]

So he should have been with this family in 1861 ... if I've got it right and its not a coincidence Chievely vs Newbury on the 1871 ....but the kids are all a lot older except Fanny ..

RG9/722 Folio 31 Page 12 - Chievely

 
Richard Winter 46  Head Watch/Clock Maker born Chievely
Fanny Winter 46  Wife born Longworth
James Winter 24  BrickLayer born Longworth
Thomas Winter 23  Clock and Watch Maker Chievely
Hannah Winter 21  Milliner do
Richard Winter 18  Watch/Clock do
John Winter 16  Carpenter do
Mary Winter 11  scholar do
Fanny Winter 4  do
Susanah Magar 50  Visitor Corset Maker Oxon
Anna Newman 24  Visitor Farmers daughter

[Necromancer]

Edward squeezes onto the 1851 census by 3 weeks !

HO107/1685 Folio 583 Page 31 - Chievely

I wont transcribe it all yet, but its Richard and Fanny (Frances) again as seen in the 1861

 
Edward Henry Winter 3 weeks 
Richard Winter 38 
Fanney Winter 38 
James Winter 15 
Thomas Winter 13
Hannah Elizabeth Winter 12 
Lucey Jane Winter 10 
Richard Winter 8
John Winter 6 
Harriot Winter 4 
Mary Winter 2 



So where was he in 1861 - simply missed off the family by the enumerator ?

[Vicwinann]

Hello,
I have Winters in Chievely who are more than likely related.  The Richard in 1851 age 38  father of your Edward Henry who is also there, is possibly a nephew ( or even a son ) of my Joseph b 1786 Chieveley and Elizabeth who were also still alive in 1851. Elizabeth, however, must be a 2nd wife because she is 48 to Joseph's 65, and the eldest son living with them is age 28.  the IGI has their marriage in 1823.
I can share with you what I have and we may find the link.  In 1851 Richard's wife Fanny said she came from Kingston Bagpuize which is just up the road from Longworth.
Regards
Vicwinann

[Vicwinann]

Hello again Baloo

Oh Happy days, I have found the connection between your Winters and mine, I think.  I have just done some more exploring on the IGI and found your Richard christened 16 Oct 1814, son of Joseph and Hannah. There are other siblings.  Another look for the marriage and I come up with one on 23 JUL 1809  in  Clewer to a Hannah Major. 

In the 1851 census your Richard has a cousin, Susannah Major age 39 born Woolhampton, also living with him!  Does that sound convincing enough?

I will send you a private message with my email address and perhaps you will be happy to swap information.  My link is with Joseph and his second wife, Elizabeth's son Alfred who married Emily Thorngate of my kin in 1859.

Regards
Vicwinann

[Necromancer]

Hi Baloo - what do you think ?