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Pencarreg Census Peoples ages please
« on: Monday 21 August 06 22:58 BST (UK) »
Hi Again
I have already had some wonderful information
from the censuses on these people but,
I am wondering if the age of these people shows on the census forms.
John & Margaret Davies and Roger Evans.
Are there any other children besides Morgan ?
Also is Margaret with son Morgan in 1871 ?

In 1851/1861/1871/ at Pencarreg sometimes the head is Roger Evans who is the
father of John's wife Margaret

I am hoping to trace births and at present this is not possible due to the number of people with the same name.

There are even two marriges close in date for
a John Davies & Margaret Evans

2 options :-
Marriage December Quarter 1842  Carmarthen  Ref  v.26 p.697   
Davies  John  &  Evans  Margaret     
Marriage March Quarter 1843  Carmarthen  Ref  v.26 p.554   
Davies  John  & Evans Margaret 


Many thanks
 for all your help
 Val - Australia


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Re: Pencarreg Census Peoples ages please
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 22 August 06 07:25 BST (UK) »
Hi Val

I am a bit confused about what you need!  Do you have the censuses or are you wanting them?  Can you post one or more here, to help us find the others (if you want others)?

If you have two possible marriages, you might just have to take a chance on one of them...

Hoping to help

kind regards, Arranroots  ;)

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SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN - HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD - GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS - WIL: WEBB, SALTER - RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS - GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY - MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD - SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON - IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)

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Re: Pencarreg Census Peoples ages please
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 22 August 06 12:54 BST (UK) »
Hi There,
 I have been given part of the census results
but I need to have the age of the people in at least one Census  to find the dates of births :-
In 1881 Morgan's family is living in Melton Mowbray
In 1871 Morgan Davies is living in Pencarreg, Llanddeusant. Who is in the house with him ?
In 1861 John & Margaret  Davies are living at Pencarreg
In 1851 John & Margaret Davies are living as 1861 at Pencarreg but head is Roger Evans who is the father of John's wife Margaret.
In 1841 at Pencarreg with head of household Roger Evans as 1851
Sorry to confuse you
 Val

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Re: Pencarreg Census Peoples ages please
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 22 August 06 14:16 BST (UK) »
Hi Val, found the following for you;
on 1841 at Pencarreg, Llanddeusant;
Roger Evans age 60 farmer
Gwenllian Evans age 65
John Davies age 35
Margaret Davies age 30
Roger Davies age 5months
David Proper age 35 ag lab
Keziah Morgan age 14 farm servant

on 1851 still Pencarreg;
Roger Evans age 75 farmer of 71 acres
Gwenllian Evans age 77 wife
John Davies age 50
Margaret Davies age 40
Gwen Davies age 5
John Davies age 8months
Morgan Davies age 7
Roger Davies age 10
David Davies age 39 servant
Cezia Jones age 25 servant

1861 Pencarreg;
John Davies age 59 farmer of 68 acres
Margaret age 50 wife
Morgan age 17
Roger age 20
Gwen age 15
John age 11
Geziah Jones age 32 dairy maid

1871 Pencarreg
Margaret Davies age 62 farmers widow
Morgan Davies age 27 farmers son
Gwen age 24
John age 20
Josiah Jones age 44 son gen servant( think this is Keziah mistranscribed)

All stated born in Llanddeusant through all census, and all born in county on 1841.
Hope this is what you're looking for.
Morgan=Aberdare/Hirwaun
Thomas=Brecon/hirwaun
Havard=Brecon/Hirwaun
Beynon=Hirwaun
Perkins=llanboidy
Checkett=Lancaster
choake=plymouth/Lancaster
Birkett=Lancaster
Hughes=Corwen


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Re: Pencarreg Census Peoples ages please
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 22 August 06 18:08 BST (UK) »
Just  to say thankyou. That was spot on.
 I really appreciate your time and effort.
Thanks again Emsgirl
Val

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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 22 August 06 18:23 BST (UK) »
Hiya heres some more info Roger Evans Pencarreg Llanddeusant buried 22/07/1852 age 76.Gwenllian Evans Pencarreg Buried 09/02/1852 age 78.John Davies Pencarreg buried16/09/1869 age 68. Theres also a will of Roger Evans  in 1852 will no 186 believe you can get a copy of the will from The National Library.Best Wishes Welsh Lady                                   
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Amor/Amer-Bromham Wiltshire,Hertfordshire,Suffolk.
Pyett-Suffolk
Wolfenden-Cambridgeshire,Huntingdonshire
Bird,Nash-Essex.
Anderson,-London.Bethnal Green,Shoreditch,Hackney
King-,Uxbridge,Shoreditch,Bethnal Green
Edwards,Roberts,Lane,Price,Williams-Llanelli.
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« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 23 August 06 10:26 BST (UK) »
HI all,
 I really appreciate all your help but somewhere along the way I think I have picked up a red herring.
I now have two Morgan Davies b in 1846 in Wales both in different places in 1881.
I think, at this stage, the second one is my friends familyas there is a son Daniel Davies.

In 1871 Morgan age 27 bc 1846 living in Pencarreg, Llanddeusant
In 1881 Morgan Davies age 36 unmarried living with mother.
Born Llandausant, Carmarthen
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Morgan Davies :  bc 1846 born Cermasham Llandensant  Wales
In 1881 Morgan is living at  King St, Melton Mowbray
Occupation : (Insurance) Agent Prudential Company 1881
                      Railway Porter GER 1891 & 1901
Aged 36 in 1881 and aged 45 in 1891


Help !!!!!
Many thanks again
 Val - Australia

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« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 23 August 06 10:57 BST (UK) »
Hiya have done it myself.This is the only other one i can find.In 1851 living with Grandparents in Llywell Breconshire HO107 2489 FOLIO 143 PAGE 27.Daniel Thomas,Head,52,Registrar,Llywell,Brec.Mary,Wife,60 Lland?,Carmarthenshire.Ann Davies,Step Dau,34,House Serv,Mothvey Carms.Daniel Thomas,Son,25,Annuitant,Mothvey,Carms.Rees Morgan ,Grandson,10,Merthyr,Glamorgan.Morgan Davies,Grandson,5,Llandduesant,Carmarthenshire.Best wishes Welsh Lady                                       
This information is Crown Copyright,from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Amor/Amer-Bromham Wiltshire,Hertfordshire,Suffolk.
Pyett-Suffolk
Wolfenden-Cambridgeshire,Huntingdonshire
Bird,Nash-Essex.
Anderson,-London.Bethnal Green,Shoreditch,Hackney
King-,Uxbridge,Shoreditch,Bethnal Green
Edwards,Roberts,Lane,Price,Williams-Llanelli.
Roberts-Pembroke Dock

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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 23 August 06 12:36 BST (UK) »
Many many thanks
Val