Agnes Morgan and John Hair Arrival Help please

[tropicalj]

hello  there John
I believe I found him in 1861  with his grandfather John Short who is a widower by then living at 157 Quality row
living next door at 158 is William B Hair with his wife Ann and their son John and a lot of her family the simpsons

on John Short where born  the renumerator has put durham easington  for them all including William, sarah, isabell, elizabeth and thomas J short aged 3 also a sarah Cob as a visiotr

regards jenn

[jthair]

Thomas J shows as a son on the 1861, I thought it was a late baby. Unfortunately I don't have Isabella's year of death as it was illegible on the MI. Now where was Mary Ann?

John

[tropicalj]

I did have a thought or two on  that
a. did she die before 1860 as we cannot find her on the census
b. did she die elsewhere in england perhaps on route to the ship?
c. did she die on the ship

regard jenn

[jthair]

Mary Ann dies in 1867 in Hartlepool, she does remarry in 1865 to a Robert Davison as a widow. This is eight years after Tom John is born and it was accepted that after seven years of a spouse's absence you could consider them dead. I have her death certificate and MI. Possibly she is on the 1861 census but just mistranscribed or she went with John but returned.

John

[gennig]

Hi

jt - I think this is your Mary A HARE in 1861.

RG9/3700 Folio: 81 Page: 4
Moor Houses, Hartlepool
Stephen ROBINSON Head Unmarried 66 Hepscot Northumberland Civil Engineer Magistrate & Alderman
Mary A ROXBY servant unmarried 53 Washington Durham Housekeeper
Mary A HARE servant married 23 Haswell Durham House servant
Mary A URWIN Visitor unmarried 16 Hartlepool Durham Dress maker
Elizabeth URWIN Visitor unmarried 13 Hartlepool Durham

regards


Genni

[tropicalj]

well done Gennie

it does indeed seem to be a strong possiblity. I realise that it could be sheer coincidence,  I  will check the 1851 census ( I now have a current subscription)  just to see if  it a person of the same name and age appears

regards jenn

[tropicalj]

hello there

had a look at the 1851 census and cannot match Mary Hare there


the two URWIN girls on the 1861 census to my working out are the daughters of Elizabeth ROXBY  born  1820 c Haghton, Durham, England

and James Urwin married in 1839

so they tie in with the Roxby name as well.

regards jenn

[tropicalj]

hello

there is a Robert Roxby arriving in Melbourne in 1856 aged 19 on the SALDANHA

and a death in 1898 at Kiewa Victoria for a Robert Roxby aged 63 father John mothers name unknown

Do you think he might be a relation?

regards jenn

found this site for the passengers for this vessel it states they were mainly miners from Durham
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/Indexes/PassengerLists/Saldanha.html

regards Jenn

[jthair]

Hi

jt - I think this is your Mary A HARE in 1861.

RG9/3700 Folio: 84 Page: 4
Moor Houses, Hartlepool
Stephen ROBINSON Head Unmarried 66 Hepscot Northumberland Civil Engineer Magistrate & Alderman
Mary A ROXBY servant unmarried 53 Washington Durham Housekeeper
Mary A HARE servant married 23 Haswell Durham House servant
Mary A UNWIN Visitor unmarried 16 Hartlepool Durham Dress maker
Elizabeth UNWIN Visitor unmarried 13 Hartlepool Durham

regards


Genni

Thanks, that does look like it is her as the Roxby name ties in with her mother's maiden name. Mary Ann was born 8 Oct 1837 which would make her 23 at the time of the census and she was born in Haswell. Mary A Roxby would likely be her aunt. More information to run with and check things out.

Thanks again.

John