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Sinclair/Sutherland/Rosie/Calder?
« on: Sunday 01 October 06 21:42 BST (UK) »
My ggggrandparents are Alexander Sinclair/Elizabeth Sutherland m.Clyth,Caithness 5 Dec 1788.
The problem I have is that I don't know who their parents were.On the copy of the Old Parish Register from New Register House it only states the fathers names.John Sinclair father of Alexander & what looks like Alexander Robertson father of Elizabeth(it is very badly written & definitely not Sutherland.
I have looked on LDS & have found only 2 possible sets of parents for Alexander Sinclair:

1.John Sinclair/Bessy Rosy b.of Alexander 19.7.1763
2.John Sinclair/Christian Calder b.of Alexander 15.2.1769.

As far as Elizabeth Sutherland is concerned I have drawn a blank.

Please is there anyone out there who can help,it has taken me 5 yrs to find that I have Scottish ancestors via my paternal Granny & I would dearly love to find the rest of my Scottish heritage.
Cheers
bettyespana
Lancashire- Moss,Broadbent,Olley,Dobson,Dickenson,
Norfolk-Olley,Knowles,Bunn,Pooley,Scott,Vince
Caithness & Dumfries - Evans,Sinclair,Mackay
Belfast-Antrim - Mackay,Connor,Bunting
Liverpool,Wigan & Southport - Ball,Taylor
Isle of Man - Harp,Dougherty
Cheshire - Dickenson
Knighton,Radnorshire - Evans, Broadhurst
Caithness - Sinclair

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Re: Sinclair/Sutherland/Rosie/Calder?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 02 October 06 11:47 BST (UK) »
You'll need to scroll through the records at Scotlands people - and its a PPV site  (pay per view).

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

I'm stuck in the early 1800s and am having trouble getting further back - my family was in Orkney.

BD
BURROW, BICKHAM, EVANS, SULLEY, STONE - Devon
STEPHENS, MALLET, ADAMS - Cornwall
HANCOCK , BUSSON - Somerset
MCCALLUM, MCDIARMID, MCNEILL - Argyle, Scotland
WALLS, SUTHERLAND, SIMPSON - Orkney, Scotland
FAIRBAIRN - Fife, Scotland
THOMPSON - Aberdeen, Scotland

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Re: Sinclair/Sutherland/Rosie/Calder?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 02 October 06 19:24 BST (UK) »
Hi Burrowdigger,

I have tried scrolling through Scotlandspeople & actually ordered the certificate I have via them.
Unfortunately being a pensioner I cannot afford too many of their PPV fees,so I am hoping someone out there may have the information I need.
I know I am probably clutching at straws,but I have posts /enquiries in different chat rooms.

Thank you for your prompt reply to my enquiry & future Good Luck in your own research.
Cheers
bettyespanas
Lancashire- Moss,Broadbent,Olley,Dobson,Dickenson,
Norfolk-Olley,Knowles,Bunn,Pooley,Scott,Vince
Caithness & Dumfries - Evans,Sinclair,Mackay
Belfast-Antrim - Mackay,Connor,Bunting
Liverpool,Wigan & Southport - Ball,Taylor
Isle of Man - Harp,Dougherty
Cheshire - Dickenson
Knighton,Radnorshire - Evans, Broadhurst
Caithness - Sinclair

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Re: Sinclair/Sutherland/Rosie/Calder?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 15 November 06 09:40 GMT (UK) »
do you have the names of children of Alex and Eliz.
the naming pattern of children in those days in Scotland is often a good guide.
1st son and 2nd daug named after father's parents
2nd son and 1st daug named after mother's parents.
not always accurate - children not registered etc.
the John Sinclair/Eliz (Bess)Rosie m 1749  Canisbay I believe were from Stroma!
the John Sinclair /Christian Calder m 1768 in Wick Parish

is this your Alex and Eliz 1841 - makes him b 1769 app although ages can be out in

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not my family so far although I do have Sinclair Canisbay and  Sutherland from Lybster.
Tricia
BAILEY    (HAM/Portsmouth Portsea/1800s);
CORMACK    (CAI/Watten Wick/fam of Magnus C & Jean Taylor m 1739);
CORMACK    (DUR/Sunderland area 1800s/orig from CAI, SCT, 1700s);
JOHNSTON    (CAI/../All);
JOHNSTON    (ARL/Kirn Dunoon/circa 1800 - onwards);
JOHNSTON    (ELN/Prestonpans Tranent/fam of William Johnston Janet Forman);
MCDOUGAL     (ARL/MULL/pre1800 Neil McDougall Effy McPhail);
MCDOUGALL    (INV/Laggan/pre 1800 in Mull Argyll then INV etc);
MORE    (CAI/Wick Sarclet Thurso Orkney/1600


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Re: Sinclair/Sutherland/Rosie/Calder?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 15 November 06 10:40 GMT (UK) »
Hi there,

To tell you the truth I am at a loss with these two.
I have a copy of their marriage (not a very clear extract)

This is what it appears to say:

Sinclair  Alexander in ?????? was matrimonially contracted to Elisabeth Sutherland in Clyth Caithness for the man John Sinclair in Clyth and for the woman Alexander Robertson in Clyth.

I acquired this from GROS via Scotlandspeople & it is a record of an extract from a Register Of Proclamations of Banns & Marriages. Dec 5th 1788

As far as children other than my  Paternal GGGrandfather:
10 Apr 1802  Sinclair Kennedy  S  to Alex.Sinclair/Eliz.Sinclair   Wick  Caithness :

Someone sent me this as possible siblings for Kennedy

Janet Sinclair b.23 Nov 1794
Jean Sinclair Ch.28 Nov 1797
Henry Sinclair Ch:2 Apr 1806
Robert Sinclair Ch:14 May 1804
John Sinclair Ch:6 Nov 1795
Benjamin Sinclair b 10 Apr 1802(looks as if Twin of Kennedy)
James Sinclair Ch:19 Nov 1799

These apparently were referenced C110432

My problem is where do I go from here?

The possibles I have from Scotlandspeople don't tie in with the order of these names as you have suggested.

I am very grateful for the info you have sent & will certainly have another look at it,but would appreciate any further advice.

Regards
bettyespana 8)



Lancashire- Moss,Broadbent,Olley,Dobson,Dickenson,
Norfolk-Olley,Knowles,Bunn,Pooley,Scott,Vince
Caithness & Dumfries - Evans,Sinclair,Mackay
Belfast-Antrim - Mackay,Connor,Bunting
Liverpool,Wigan & Southport - Ball,Taylor
Isle of Man - Harp,Dougherty
Cheshire - Dickenson
Knighton,Radnorshire - Evans, Broadhurst
Caithness - Sinclair

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Alex m Eliz Sutherland or Sinclair?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 15 November 06 18:47 GMT (UK) »
The children you list  b to Alex Sinclair and Eliz Sinclair Wick. C110432
may not be children of Alex Sinclair  and Eliz Sutherland
In Wick 1793 Alexander Sinclair m Elizabeth Sinclair.
whereas you quote your Alex Sinclair m Eliz Sutherland 1788 in Wick.

Have you traced back to Kennedy Sinclair - his parents 1802 show as both named Sinclair. ???  Did you have his death cert and who did he marry.

The scottish records usually show the mother's maiden when birth is listed.

Is this your family 1841 census

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If so this Kennedy I have a cert for death 1872 in Edinburgh. Have you got it.
It shows parents as Alex and Elizabeth (both names Sinclair).

If this Kennedy is definitely yours then maybe we need to rethink parents.
I will keep looking.
Happy for you to send me any positive data your have.  Not the best of names in Caithness - so many of them  ???

Tricia
born in Wick, Caithness

BAILEY    (HAM/Portsmouth Portsea/1800s);
CORMACK    (CAI/Watten Wick/fam of Magnus C & Jean Taylor m 1739);
CORMACK    (DUR/Sunderland area 1800s/orig from CAI, SCT, 1700s);
JOHNSTON    (CAI/../All);
JOHNSTON    (ARL/Kirn Dunoon/circa 1800 - onwards);
JOHNSTON    (ELN/Prestonpans Tranent/fam of William Johnston Janet Forman);
MCDOUGAL     (ARL/MULL/pre1800 Neil McDougall Effy McPhail);
MCDOUGALL    (INV/Laggan/pre 1800 in Mull Argyll then INV etc);
MORE    (CAI/Wick Sarclet Thurso Orkney/1600

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Re: Sinclair/Sutherland/Rosie/Calder?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 15 November 06 19:20 GMT (UK) »
BIRTH   10/04/1802 SINCLAIR KENNEDY
ALEXR. SINCLAIR/ELIZ. SINCLAIR U WICK 043/00 0003

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and possibly a Jean 1794 although mother just shows Eliz.


Can't find any so far with mother a sutherland.
I reckon the 1841 census in my email 9.40 today was the Sinclair Elizabeth.


In 1841 your Kennedy was in Sarclet Wick - next to some of my family.
Tricia
BAILEY    (HAM/Portsmouth Portsea/1800s);
CORMACK    (CAI/Watten Wick/fam of Magnus C & Jean Taylor m 1739);
CORMACK    (DUR/Sunderland area 1800s/orig from CAI, SCT, 1700s);
JOHNSTON    (CAI/../All);
JOHNSTON    (ARL/Kirn Dunoon/circa 1800 - onwards);
JOHNSTON    (ELN/Prestonpans Tranent/fam of William Johnston Janet Forman);
MCDOUGAL     (ARL/MULL/pre1800 Neil McDougall Effy McPhail);
MCDOUGALL    (INV/Laggan/pre 1800 in Mull Argyll then INV etc);
MORE    (CAI/Wick Sarclet Thurso Orkney/1600

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Re: Sinclair/Sutherland/Rosie/Calder?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 15 November 06 20:23 GMT (UK) »
I stand corrected I checked the birth for Kennedy Sinclair from Scotlandspeople & yes they are both Sinclairs.

KennedySinclair & Alice Mackay are the named parents on my Great Grandmother Sarah Elizabeth Sinclair & George Evans Marriage Cert 5.7.1869 St Giles district,Edinburgh.which I have a copy of.

Kennedy Sinclair was in 92 Highlanders /Chelsea Pensioner.

In 1851 the family lived at 54 Dunbar Close Edinburgh & Kennedy was a Licensed Porter.
In 1861 they lived at 29 Charles Street,St Giles district.

Back to the drawing board but thanks for all this,if there is anything I can possibly help you with I will.
In the meantime
Cheers :) ;)
bettyespana
 
Lancashire- Moss,Broadbent,Olley,Dobson,Dickenson,
Norfolk-Olley,Knowles,Bunn,Pooley,Scott,Vince
Caithness & Dumfries - Evans,Sinclair,Mackay
Belfast-Antrim - Mackay,Connor,Bunting
Liverpool,Wigan & Southport - Ball,Taylor
Isle of Man - Harp,Dougherty
Cheshire - Dickenson
Knighton,Radnorshire - Evans, Broadhurst
Caithness - Sinclair

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Re: Sinclair/Sutherland/Rosie/Calder?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 21 February 07 13:05 GMT (UK) »
better sit down bettyespana! :)

Kennedy & his siblings belong to Alexander Sutherland SINCLAIR at Gansclett & Elizabeth SINCLAIR who were married 1793,  Alexander the son of "Holy John" SINCLAIR at Gansclett & Christina CALDER, John being a son of Donald SINCLAIR the sailor & Catherine SINCLAIR, Donald being the son of David SINCLAIR of Broynach whose father was Sir James SINCLAIR 2nd of Murkle whose father James SINCLAIR 1st of Murkle married Elizabeth STEWART daughter of "bad" lord robert STEWART, one of the many illegitimate children to Charles V of Scotland (by Euphemia ELPHINSTONE), grandson of henry VII of England.

Alexander SINCLAIR at Clyth & Elizabeth SUTHERLAND (Betty MCRYRIE) were contracted to married 5 Jan 1788 and married 2 Jan 1789, Alexander's father being James "Saltie" SINCLAIR the chamberlain, son of Donald the sailor, son of david of Broynach, etc as above.  James the chamberlain was married twice and I am descended from a son to his second marriage, "Long John" SINCLAIR who married Barbara CORMACK.

In other words, Alexander who married Elizabeth SUTHERLAND and Alexander who married Elizabeth SINCLAIR were first cousins being descended from half-brothers.

Will that do for starters?

Peter