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Re: Pre-1881 Census - HOBBIS
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 03 October 06 11:26 BST (UK) »
OK - finally found them in 1871. All looking very good  :D

1871
RG10/3090 29 1
Birmingham Lady Wood
34 Graham Street

Harry Holliss (to my best reading), head, 28, Jeweller, b. Birmingham
Rebecca, wife, 26, Milliner, b. do.
Harry, son, 5, b. do.
Walter, son, 4, b. do.
George, son, 1, b. do.
James Gozzard, wife's father, widower, 61*, Tool Maker, b. Staffordshire Handsworth

 :)  :)

*It does read 61  ::) I think he even says age 45 in 1861  ;D
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« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 03 October 06 11:49 BST (UK) »
OK - finally found them in 1871. All looking very good  :D

1871
RG10/3090 29 1
Birmingham Lady Wood
34 Graham Street

Harry Holliss (to my best reading), head, 28, Jeweller, b. Birmingham
Rebecca, wife, 26, Milliner, b. do.
Harry, son, 5, b. do.
Walter, son, 4, b. do.
George, son, 1, b. do.
James Gozzard, wife's father, widower, 61*, Tool Maker, b. Staffordshire Handsworth

 :)  :)

*It does read 61  ::) I think he even says age 45 in 1861  ;D

Wow, that's great,  thank you.

So, it looks like we (i.e. you) have figured out that Harry Holliss b.abt.1843 is probably Henry Hobbiss, married to Sarah Rebeccah Gozzard, daughter of James, b. 1801, 1803, 1810 or 1816!

James doesn't want to be tracked does he?!

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« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 03 October 06 11:52 BST (UK) »

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Re: Pre-1881 Census - HOBBIS
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 03 October 06 11:58 BST (UK) »
Indeed, yes  :)

I also have just found Harry in 1861 - age 18, Jeweller, lodging at Thorpe St Birmingham. He's called Hobliss this time. His sister Hannah (also Hobliss) age 14 is a servant in the same household.
 
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« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 03 October 06 14:14 BST (UK) »
Hi again

I've just written out all the info you gathered and put it into order etc etc, and it really does make sense.

Thank you very much for your help today - I can now name my gr gr grandfather, my gr gr grandmother and her family, and my gr gr gr grandparents! :D

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« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 03 October 06 14:42 BST (UK) »
 :)  :)

I'm afraid Lucy Paddock's side is a bit confusing.

1871
RG10/3101 33 25
Birmingham
4 Shipstone Place

James Paddock, head, 43, Bricklayer, b. Walsall
Sarah, wife, 37, Bridle Stitcher, b. do.
Sarah A, dau, 15, Folder & Sewer (something), b. do.
Mary J, dau, 13, Bridle Stitcher, b. do.
Jogn J, son, 11, scholar, b. do.
John B, son, 8, scholar, b. Birmingham
Charles, son, 5, scholar, b. do.
Alice E, dau, 2
Lucy, dau, 4m, b. Birmingham

1861
RG9/2014 136 27
Walsall Foreign, Staffordshire
339 Green Lane

James Paddock, head, 33, Bricklayer, b. Walsall
Sarah, wife, 29, Bridle Stitcher, b. do.
Sarah Ann, dau, 5, scholar, b. do.
Mary Jane, dau, 3, b. do.
John James, son, 10 mo, b. do.

James Paddocks age is consistent from 1861 through 1901, and the IGI has a nice christening:
JAMES PADDOCK 
06 JAN 1828  Saint Matthew, Walsall
Father  EDWARD PADDOCK
Mother SARAH

Now what's strange is that I can see this family on earlier census (1841), but James' age is 3 years out  ???

HO107/983/12 30 8
Walsall Foreign

Edward Paddock, 35, (can't read occupation, perhaps 'Brickle?')
Sarah, 30
Phineas, 14
James, 9
Edward, 8
Sarah, 7
John, 4
Bridget, 3
Ann, 2
Lucy, 2months

All born in county.

The really weird thing is that there is a christening for Phineas on the IGI in 1824 (=3 years out as well)
Not sure I'd put too much money on this 1841 find  :P
However, these Edward & Sarah only live a few households away from James & family in 1861.
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« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 03 October 06 19:55 BST (UK) »
1871
RG10/3090 29 1
Birmingham Lady Wood
34 Graham Street

Harry Holliss (to my best reading), head, 28, Jeweller, b. Birmingham
Rebecca, wife, 26, Milliner, b. do.
Harry, son, 5, b. do.
Walter, son, 4, b. do.
George, son, 1, b. do.
James Gozzard, wife's father, widower, 61*, Tool Maker, b. Staffordshire Handsworth

Hmmm this means a birth year for Rebecca at abt.1846, but it doesn't match up with the birth date of Sarah / Rebekah Gozzard of abt.1841

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1841
HO107/1139/4 38 8
Birmingham (can't make out address)
James Gozzard, 38, ***, no (=not born in county)
Mary Gozzard, 40, no
Eliza Eldersham, 24, Dress maker, no
Ana? Eldersham, 22, Shop girl, no
William Eldersham, 17, Ap, no
James Eldersham, 17, Ap, no
Elizabeth Elsersham, 13, no
John Gozzard, 12, no
Caroline Gozzard, 7, yes
Sarah Gozzard, 3 months, yes

1851
HO107/2058 82 14
Birmingham
98 Barr? Albert?
James Gozzard, head, 50, Brass Founder, b. Staffordshire Handsworth
Mary, wife, 50, b. do.
John, son, 21, Jeweller, b. Birmingham
Caroline, dau, 16, b. do.
Rebekah, dau, 9, scholar, b. do.
Alfred, son, 7, scholar, b. do.
Mary Ann Eldersham, stepdau, unm, 25, Guard Chain Maker, b. Staffs Handsworth
Elizabeth Eldersham, stepdau, 21, ditto, b. do.

Odd coincidence do you think?

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« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 03 October 06 20:52 BST (UK) »
I'm sure she's the same. It just doesn't look as though their maths were very good  :-X
 

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« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 03 October 06 20:58 BST (UK) »
lol, I think you're probably right - how many Sarah Rebecca Hobbis/Gozzard's can there be with those kind of coincidences? :)

Also, thanks for the Paddock info; the 1841 info is hanging by a bare thread (the parent's names, and the 'consistent' date inconsistency, but it's much appreciated :)

Cheers
Richard