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Ship owners - Sunderland & South Shields
« on: Monday 06 November 06 23:01 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if anyone can help me, please

A friend has antecedents who were ship-owners in South Shields and Sunderland

Henry Lee 1850s South Shields
Enoch Dunkerley Thompson 1827; 1850s South Shields
James Lee 1827 Sunderland

James Lee had married Ann Havelock (believed to be related to Henry Havelock the soldier)

Enoch Thompson's daughter married Henry Lee (James' son)

I am trying to find resources which can shed more light on the shipping business in the 1800s.  My friend is trying to find out where all the family money went - the family mythology is that these guys above thought that steam would be a passing fad, and stuck with sail.  ::)

PS He doesn't expect to find the money - just wants to understand the story behind it.  ;D

Would be grateful for any leads to follow up.

Thanks very much

JULIAN
ESSEX  Carter, Enever, Jeffrey, Mason, Middleditch, Pond, Poole, Rose, Sorrell, Staines, Stephens, Surry, Theobald HUNTS  Danns KENT  Luetchford, Wood NOTTINGHAMSHIRE  Baker, Dunks, Kemp, Price, Priestley, Swain, Woodward SUFFOLK  Rose SURREY  Bedel, Bransden, Bysh, Coleman, Gibbs, Quinton SUSSEX Gibbs, Langridge, Pilbeam, Spencer WILTSHIRE  Brice, Rumble

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Re: Ship owners - Sunderland & South Shields
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 07 November 06 10:02 GMT (UK) »
Some facts you may not have:
Enoch Dunkerley Thompson, of East Street, South Shields, was a Master as well as a shipowner. James Lee was a shipowner of Waterloo Place, Bishopwearmouth. In 1850 Henry Lee lived at 1, Mount Terrace, South Shields.
There was an enormous death rate in the 1800s of men and loss of ships. In 1884 the President of the Board of Trade commented that in mining the heaviest loss of life in one year was never more than 1 in 315 of those employed, whereas in shipping it was 1 in 60.
Between 1827 and 1829, 107 ships from Sunderland were lost, and between 1833 and 1835, 124 went down. By 1875, 46% of the 2,900 coastal casualties were on the east coast coal route.
The great losses led to the campaign by Samuel Plimsoll, not just for a "Plimsoll Line" but against overloading, undermanning, bad storage, deck loading, bad design, defective construction and lack of repair of ships.
See http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/TUplimsoll.htm
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Re: Ship owners - Sunderland & South Shields
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 07 November 06 18:48 GMT (UK) »
Stann

Thanks for this info and the background context.  No Health & Safety Executive back in those days - the statistics you quote are pretty alarming.

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ESSEX  Carter, Enever, Jeffrey, Mason, Middleditch, Pond, Poole, Rose, Sorrell, Staines, Stephens, Surry, Theobald HUNTS  Danns KENT  Luetchford, Wood NOTTINGHAMSHIRE  Baker, Dunks, Kemp, Price, Priestley, Swain, Woodward SUFFOLK  Rose SURREY  Bedel, Bransden, Bysh, Coleman, Gibbs, Quinton SUSSEX Gibbs, Langridge, Pilbeam, Spencer WILTSHIRE  Brice, Rumble

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Re: Ship owners - Sunderland & South Shields
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 14 February 07 22:10 GMT (UK) »
I'm guessing he may be descended from this Thompson family (as am I).

http://members.cox.net/ghgraham/robertthompson1774.html

George Graham's site is extremely detailed and well worth a look.


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Re: Ship owners - Sunderland & South Shields
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 14 February 07 23:03 GMT (UK) »
Jenny

Thanks very much for that link.  My friend's Thompsons were descended from an Evan Thompson of South Shields, but there could well be a connection.  We'll follow it up!

And welcome to Rootschat   :).  There's some great knowledge and resourcefulness on here.  Enjoy your stay.


JULIAN
ESSEX  Carter, Enever, Jeffrey, Mason, Middleditch, Pond, Poole, Rose, Sorrell, Staines, Stephens, Surry, Theobald HUNTS  Danns KENT  Luetchford, Wood NOTTINGHAMSHIRE  Baker, Dunks, Kemp, Price, Priestley, Swain, Woodward SUFFOLK  Rose SURREY  Bedel, Bransden, Bysh, Coleman, Gibbs, Quinton SUSSEX Gibbs, Langridge, Pilbeam, Spencer WILTSHIRE  Brice, Rumble

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Re: Ship owners - Sunderland & South Shields
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 15 February 07 09:42 GMT (UK) »
Just to point out that Thompson was a very common name in County Durham. In the 1881 census there were 9,213 (the third highest county). Based on Poor Law Unions Sunderland had the highest number in the country at 1,831, and South Shields had 1,022.
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Re: Ship owners - Sunderland & South Shields
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 07 March 07 02:45 GMT (UK) »
Hello Julianb,

Did Enoch's daughter who became Mrs. Henry Lee have a brother named Joseph Logan? Was there a ship named the "Annie Lee" after her? Did she have another brother, a medical student, who died of tuberculosis?

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Re: Ship owners - Sunderland & South Shields
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 07 March 07 02:53 GMT (UK) »


Maybe this is where it went ........  ::) have you seen this already Julian ??

http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/html_units/1830s/t18300916-75.html

No wonder this guy cahanged his name ... sounds like all the Thompsons from South Shields shipping business went broke !! wonder if this guy is related ??

http://www.cnyscouts.org/historical/seton_bio.html

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Re: Ship owners - Sunderland & South Shields
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 07 March 07 03:17 GMT (UK) »

Here's the same guy .... posting .... just in case !!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Thompson_Seton

Ernest Thompson Seton ( Ernest Evan Thompson )

Ernest Thompson Seton (1860-1946) was best known as the author of Wild Animals I Have Known and as co-founder of the Boy Scouts of America.


Seton was born on August 14, 1860, in South Shields, England, the eighth of the ten sons of Alice Snowdon Thompson and Joseph Logan Thompson. At the age of 21 he took the surname Seton in the belief that his father was the true heir to the lands and titles of Lord Seton, Earl of Winton. After an appeal from his mother in 1887, he resumed the Thompson surname and began using the nom de plume Ernest Seton-Thompson on his published works; in 1901 he changed his name legally to Ernest Thompson Seton. These changes have caused confusion in identifying his earlier work.

Joseph Thompson owned a small fleet of merchant sailing ships, but when forced out of business by competition from steam-powered ships in 1866, he emigrated to Canada with his family to become a farmer. On the farm near Lindsay, Ontario, Seton developed the interest in animal life that became the basis of his career as both artist and naturalist. The Thompsons, however, were unsuccessful as farmers, and after four years they moved to Toronto; here Seton discovered the wildlife of Toronto Island and the Don River valley. His adventures in the valley may be found in Two Little Savages (1903).

In 1876 he was apprenticed to the Toronto portrait painter John Colin Forbes and began night classes at the Ontario School of Art and Design. Although he won a seven year scholarship to London's Royal Academy of Arts in January 1881, he abandoned his studies after only seven months and returned to Canada, this time to settle on his brother Arthur's Manitoba homestead. His wildlife research on the prairie resulted in the publication of his first scientific article in 1883 and provided material for many of his later books, among them The Trail of the Sandhill Stag (1899).

Seton completed his art training between 1890 and 1896 at the Académie Julian in Paris. It was in France that he met the writer Grace Gallatin, the daughter of a San Francisco financier. They were married in New York in June 1896 and settled near Greenwich, Connecticut. Their only child was Anya Seton, the novelist. The marriage ended in divorce in 1935.

In 1898 Seton published his first book of animal stories, Wild Animals I Have Known, telling the stories of Lobo, King of Currumpaw; Silverspot, the crow; and Raggylug, the cottontail rabbit, from the animals' points of view. Lavishly illustrated with Seton's unique drawings and paintings, the book was an instant success, and Seton went on tour telling his stories and showing slides of his illustrations. For the next ten years he turned out at least one book of stories annually, including The Biography of a Grizzly; Lives of the Hunted; Monarch, the Big Bear of Tallac; Woodmyth and Fable; and Animal Heroes.

The popularity of his stories was temporarily halted in 1903 when the naturalist/philosopher John Burroughs accused him in an article in the Atlantic Monthly of "faking" his animal tales. Seton responded to this attack by investing the next five years in the research and writing of the two-volume Life Histories of Northern Animals which earned him the Camp Fire Gold Medal for 1909 and the renewed popularity of his books. Later he enlarged the Life Histories and published them in four volumes between 1925 and 1928 as Lives of Game Animals, this time earning the John Burroughs Memorial Society's Bronze Medal.

In 1902 Seton organized the Woodcraft Indians for boys in order to encourage outdoor activities, and in 1904 he presented a copy of his Birchbark Roll of the Woodcraft Indians to Sir Robert Baden-Powell, the hero of the seige of Mafeking, South Africa, asking him to help popularize Woodcraft summer camps in England. Instead, Baden-Powell introduced his own organization - the Boy Scouts - into England in 1908, incorporating most of the games and activities Seton had included in the Birchbark Roll. When it appeared that Baden-Powell intended to move the Boy Scout organization into the United States, Seton joined forces with other youth leaders to form the Boy Scouts of America in 1910, and he became the first Chief Scout. However, five years later he was forced out of the Boy Scouts because he was a pacifist.

In 1930 Seton settled on a 2,300-acre tract of land near Santa Fe, New Mexico. Here he married his second wife, Julia Moss Buttree, and with her he founded the Seton College of Indian Wisdom (later the Seton Institute of Indian Lore). Here for the next ten years they conducted summer courses in arts and crafts, outdoor activities, and leadership skills. He published his autobiography in 1940 and his last animal story book, Santana, the Hero Dog of France, in 1945. He continued to write and lecture until two months before his death on October 23, 1946.
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