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Re: SAUNDERS, Norfolk/Suffolk, All dates
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 22 July 07 16:22 BST (UK) »
Hello ricoba

Your Lydia's family appear in Erith in 1851.  Her father is 29 a bricklayers labourer from Chislehurst in Kent so not an East Anglian connection there. Sorry.
Saunders  Norfolk and Suffolk.  Barkway and Barkaway - anywhere.
Mottershall anywhere
Ellis Clerkenwell/Camberwell
Saunders, Woodrow, Leggett, Potter Norfolk
Stacey, Booth, Pennington, Graham, Bennett, Hall, Mawson West Yorkshire
Cooper Cheshire/West Yorkshire
King, Sanger, Hiscock, Gray Wiltshire/Dorset/Hampshire
Barton, Ivett, Minns Cambridgeshire
Palfrey Suffolk
Cox, Crew, Burry Middlesex/Hertfordshire
Burrows Essex

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Re: SAUNDERS, Norfolk/Suffolk, All dates
« Reply #28 on: Monday 23 July 07 03:17 BST (UK) »
Hello, it is difficult to say!  I see from the IGI that the marriage was

 21 MAR 1826 Hobart Town, Tasmania, Australia

I haven't done research in Australia but wonder if the original entry might have more information for you - perhaps fathers name?  Otherwise the way forward would be to try and find ships records.

regards

Brian

Thanks for that. I'm not researching this line at the moment, as they aren't direct ancestors (more like 1st cousins a couple times removed, and then there great grandparents or something lol). One day I might pursue this further but, till then, keep me posted with any connections found.
Cole/Hayden - Chilbolton, Hampshire, England
Higgins - Pembrokeshire, Wales
Popham - Bideford, Devonshire, England
Burness - Fordoun, Kincardineshire, Scotland
Troy - Ireland
Christie - Scotland
Campbell - Scotland
Ross - Scotland
Brand - Fordoun, Kincardineshire, Scotland
Watson - Scotland
Rundmann - Taschendorf, Prussia, Germany
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Gurowski - Prussia
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Re: SAUNDERS, Norfolk/Suffolk, All dates
« Reply #29 on: Friday 21 September 07 16:57 BST (UK) »
Hi there,

I have a Herbert SAUNDERS who married an Elizabeth ING (or INGS) sometime before 1897 (when their first child, Louis Herbert SAUNDERS) was born.

My Herbert's father was also (apparently) Herbert, possibly married to a MECER or MERCER, she might have died in 1924.

Apparently they came from Wiltshire, but I've not found them there, might have found Elizabeth or Eliza INGS, but not Herbert SAUNDERS.  Might possibly have found them on 1881 Census on IGI in Lancashire, but need to verify with at least one other source before I'm sure of that!

Not sure if it's any interest in terms of the area covered by the topic, might be, IF he hailed from Norfolk or Suffolk, but I'm still trying to find out where he came from!

Does anyone have my Saunders family in their lists???

Regards,

P.
Current Research:
RYAN (Waterford, Ireland), BENNETT (Queenstown, South Africa), SELLER (Australia)

Top Surnames:

PHILLIPS (Stithians, Cornwall)
STANNARD (Long Stratton, Norfolk)
CAVE (Milbourne Port, Somerset)
SELLER (Staffordshire)
ROSE (Somerset)
SAUNDERS (Idmiston, Wiltshire)
SADLER (Somerset)
MERCER (Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire)
VINCENT (Wiltshire)
SPARGO (Stithians, Cornwall)

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Re: SAUNDERS, Norfolk/Suffolk, All dates
« Reply #30 on: Friday 21 September 07 18:34 BST (UK) »
Hello stannarp

Have you Louis Herbert's birth certificate?

Of not the way forward is obviously through the parents marriage certificate.  As Louis appears in the 1901 Census as a British Subject born in South Africa I wonder if that is where the answer will be

Otherwise do you know when and where Herbert died?  This would enable you to get his certificate, work out his birth date and that will narrow the search down considerably.  You do seem very sketchy on details, and to offer further help/advice it would be helpful to post further details.

Cheers
Brian
Saunders  Norfolk and Suffolk.  Barkway and Barkaway - anywhere.
Mottershall anywhere
Ellis Clerkenwell/Camberwell
Saunders, Woodrow, Leggett, Potter Norfolk
Stacey, Booth, Pennington, Graham, Bennett, Hall, Mawson West Yorkshire
Cooper Cheshire/West Yorkshire
King, Sanger, Hiscock, Gray Wiltshire/Dorset/Hampshire
Barton, Ivett, Minns Cambridgeshire
Palfrey Suffolk
Cox, Crew, Burry Middlesex/Hertfordshire
Burrows Essex


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Re: SAUNDERS, Norfolk/Suffolk, All dates
« Reply #31 on: Friday 21 September 07 20:35 BST (UK) »
Hi Brian,

Thanks for the feedback.  Unfortunately I don't have Louis Herbert's birth certificate, he died in 1966 according to NAAIRS.  His younger sister Dorothy Phyllis was my grand-mother, she married Robert Nelson Stannard.

Herbert and Elizabeth Saunders died in KwaZulu Natal and are buried in Vryheid, South Africa, him in 1923, she in 1954... I've seen their graves.  Elizabeth Saunders' death record lists her as having been born in 1884, which makes her about 13 when Louis Herbert Saunders was born in 1897, which is young even for the time, unless the date on her death record is wrong!  Am currently waiting for my folks next visit so that they can bring the photo my dad took - then I'll have more information than I have now.  My dad is also going to bring his mother's birthday book, and whatever else he has, which will give me names, etc to compare to for all the Herbert Saunders listings I've found so far!  I THINK Herbert Saunders may have been an engineer of some description, there are 'family stories' about bridges he built here in Pietermaritzburg, but I've never been able to find out more about them, or him...no useful records on him in NAAIRS applying for extra labour, etc the way there are for my Stannard ancestor!

The Saunders side has been the most difficult to trace so far, as my father is very sketchy on his mother's parents origins, etc.  It was far easier to trace the Stannard side with similarly sketchy information as it is a less common name!

How did you find Louis Herbert in the 1901 census, I'm pretty sure I looked, but couldn't find any of the Saunders family, but I might have been looking for Rose and Stannard at the time also :-)  Do you have a listing for him or his family for the 1901 census by any chance?


Thanks for the feedback, if I find that they are in any way relevant to the Saunders you're building a database of, I'll definitely let you know!

Regards,

Patricia
Current Research:
RYAN (Waterford, Ireland), BENNETT (Queenstown, South Africa), SELLER (Australia)

Top Surnames:

PHILLIPS (Stithians, Cornwall)
STANNARD (Long Stratton, Norfolk)
CAVE (Milbourne Port, Somerset)
SELLER (Staffordshire)
ROSE (Somerset)
SAUNDERS (Idmiston, Wiltshire)
SADLER (Somerset)
MERCER (Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire)
VINCENT (Wiltshire)
SPARGO (Stithians, Cornwall)

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Re: SAUNDERS, Norfolk/Suffolk, All dates
« Reply #32 on: Friday 21 September 07 22:34 BST (UK) »
Hello Patricia

The reference for the 1901 Census is RG13/1954/71/12 sch no 66
34 Green Croft Street St Edmund Salisbury Wiltshire

Mary Ann Ings  Head Wid 54 b Homington Wiltshire
Mable May Dau 10 Salisbury
Lizzie Saunders Dau M 30 Salisbury
Herbert Street Nephew S 20 Shop Assistant Homington Wil
Louis Saunders Gson 3 South Africa British Subject (Cape)

In 1891 The Ings family are at RG12/1620/79/2 sch no 14
The same address as 1901

Louis Ings H M 44 Bricklayer b Salisbury
Mary A 44
Annie 15
William 9
Mabel 6 weeks

There is a possibility that Elizabeth (21) is in Bournemouth as a servant with an Emily (23) who is born in Homington

This would narrow the marriage search to just (!) 10 years

Hope that helps

Cheers
Brian
Saunders  Norfolk and Suffolk.  Barkway and Barkaway - anywhere.
Mottershall anywhere
Ellis Clerkenwell/Camberwell
Saunders, Woodrow, Leggett, Potter Norfolk
Stacey, Booth, Pennington, Graham, Bennett, Hall, Mawson West Yorkshire
Cooper Cheshire/West Yorkshire
King, Sanger, Hiscock, Gray Wiltshire/Dorset/Hampshire
Barton, Ivett, Minns Cambridgeshire
Palfrey Suffolk
Cox, Crew, Burry Middlesex/Hertfordshire
Burrows Essex

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Re: SAUNDERS, Norfolk/Suffolk, All dates
« Reply #33 on: Saturday 22 September 07 15:10 BST (UK) »
Hi Brian,

Thanks so much for the info, most appreciated!  You've given me a direction for the Ings family, which is really great, as you say, now I have a 10-year window period to find the marriage, which is better than I had before, and I can probably start looking in Salisbury, or maybe Bournemouth!

Ethel Herbert Saunders, I found last night, was ACTUALLY Herbert Ethey Saunders... go figure!  Now I've got a more accurate idea of who I'm looking for, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to battle to find him, as Herbert Ethey Saunders would have come up in any of my searches for Ethel Herbert Saunders...  There's an Ethey Saunders in the right time-frame in Wiltshire as well, but I need to do some more research before I conclude that he's the same person!

Thanks again for the help!!!

Patricia

Current Research:
RYAN (Waterford, Ireland), BENNETT (Queenstown, South Africa), SELLER (Australia)

Top Surnames:

PHILLIPS (Stithians, Cornwall)
STANNARD (Long Stratton, Norfolk)
CAVE (Milbourne Port, Somerset)
SELLER (Staffordshire)
ROSE (Somerset)
SAUNDERS (Idmiston, Wiltshire)
SADLER (Somerset)
MERCER (Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire)
VINCENT (Wiltshire)
SPARGO (Stithians, Cornwall)

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Re: SAUNDERS, Norfolk/Suffolk, All dates
« Reply #34 on: Saturday 22 September 07 15:42 BST (UK) »
The Plot Thickens!

Dec quarter 1874 Easington Durham

Abel Saunders marries Ellen Mercer

so is Ethey Ellen's son adopting the name Saunders? ???
Saunders  Norfolk and Suffolk.  Barkway and Barkaway - anywhere.
Mottershall anywhere
Ellis Clerkenwell/Camberwell
Saunders, Woodrow, Leggett, Potter Norfolk
Stacey, Booth, Pennington, Graham, Bennett, Hall, Mawson West Yorkshire
Cooper Cheshire/West Yorkshire
King, Sanger, Hiscock, Gray Wiltshire/Dorset/Hampshire
Barton, Ivett, Minns Cambridgeshire
Palfrey Suffolk
Cox, Crew, Burry Middlesex/Hertfordshire
Burrows Essex

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Re: SAUNDERS, Norfolk/Suffolk, All dates
« Reply #35 on: Monday 24 September 07 10:26 BST (UK) »
Hi Brian,

Thanks for all the efforts, sorry for the late reply, had a race yesterday and wasn't wildly keen on hitting the laptop afterwards...

The plot DOES thicken indeed, amazing what you start to find out when you really start digging...!  I'll see where I can go with that thread.

I wonder if Abel Saunders didn't 'adopt' Ethey?  Anyway, that is something I'll need to look into when I get the stuff my dad has!  If that were the case, I'd need to look into the Mercers to find out where she came from, instead of Saunders...goody (really!) a whole new project for sometime!

I've also had a topic posted on the Wiltshire board, and had a lot of useful information from there, and will certainly keep you posted as I find anything.

I have managed to establish that Herbert Ethey Saunders married Elizabeth Ings in Cape Town, I'm assuming in the 1890's somewhere; my dad remembered that much after a bit of prompting with names, etc.  Amazing how much information people forget they had until they get a prompt, isn't it?!

Apparently, BTW, Elizabeth Saunders (nee Ings) was sent back to England during the Anglo-Boer War, which explains her presence on the 1901 census!  Herbert Ethey fought in the war, apparently as a Regimental Sgt. Major in Methuen's Light Infantry.  I'm living in EXACTLY the right place to do Anglo-Boer War research (Pietermaritzburg), and have a number of contacts with our Museum Services as I'm their IT consultant, so I'll do a bit of digging there, which will also be interesting!

Thanks again for all the help,

Regards,

Patricia
Current Research:
RYAN (Waterford, Ireland), BENNETT (Queenstown, South Africa), SELLER (Australia)

Top Surnames:

PHILLIPS (Stithians, Cornwall)
STANNARD (Long Stratton, Norfolk)
CAVE (Milbourne Port, Somerset)
SELLER (Staffordshire)
ROSE (Somerset)
SAUNDERS (Idmiston, Wiltshire)
SADLER (Somerset)
MERCER (Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire)
VINCENT (Wiltshire)
SPARGO (Stithians, Cornwall)

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