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Re: Frustrated Sutherland Seeks Sutherlands
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 30 November 06 00:20 GMT (UK) »
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The 1881 Census entry seems to be the correct one I believe. Angus died in 1888. He'd been married twice to two Janets - GOW and then SUTHERLAND. Janet Sutherland was William's mother wasn't she (from your other post?).

Parents Neil Sutherland, crofter and fisherman, and mother Janet Bain (spl?). A cousin from Dunbeath reported the death.

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Re: Frustrated Sutherland Seeks Sutherlands
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 30 November 06 00:36 GMT (UK) »
A possible submitted entry for first marriage:

ANGUS SUTHERLAND  Marriages: Spouse:  JANET GOW    
Marriage:  19 DEC 1833  Latheron, Caithness, Scotland

And a further submitted entry for the second marriage:

ANGUS SUTHERLAND  Marriages: Spouse: JANET SUTHERLAND    
Marriage:  14 APR 1843  Latheron, Caithness, Scotland

And a futher submitted entry for what looks like Angus's parents:

NIEL SUTHERLAND  Marriages: Spouse: JANET BAIN
Marriage:  17 DEC 1802 Latheron, Caithness, Scotland

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Re: Frustrated Sutherland Seeks Sutherlands
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 30 November 06 00:54 GMT (UK) »
In respect of children to Neil and Janet Bain, there is one actual extract to a father Neil (no mother's name):

SUTHERLAND  Male Christening:  13 MAY 1812  Latheron, Caithness, Scotland
Parents: Father: NIEL SUTHERLAND    

And a submitted entry for what may be Angus's christening:

ANGUS SUTHERLAND  Christening: 08 OCT 1803 Latheron, Caithness, Scotland
Parents: Father NEIL SUTHERLAND

Submitted entries don't show when you search IGI by batch code alone (the source of this info is OPRs), so there may be further entries for siblings that have been submitted by members with father's name only. ..and of course, you can't search on IGI by father's name only. (chicken and egg  :()

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Re: Frustrated Sutherland Seeks Sutherlands
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 30 November 06 12:02 GMT (UK) »
You've certainly been busy! :o Thanks very much!

Bit confused about some things, though. I looked up the death certificate and the only one I could get was the one of Angus Sutherland dying in 1888, parents were Neil Sutherland and Janet Bain. It also mentions on the certificate that Angus was married to Janet Gow (deceased) and then secondly to Janet Sutherland. I assume Janet was maybe still alive at this time? ??? That'll be another hunt for me.

Angus was definitely married to Janet Sutherland on 14th Apr 1843.

If Angus was christianed in 1803 then I had his year of birth wrong by three years...

Ach, I don't know what to deduce from all of this. :-\
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Caithness: Sutherland and Gunn (Latheron), Mowat (Olrig, Canisbay)
Fife: Fleming, Harley, Small, Laing, Malcolm
Angus/Forfarshire: Small, Laing (Dundee)
Perthshire: Runciman, Whittet, Paul, Small
Midlothian: Dudgeon, Sanderson (Tranent)

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Gloucestershire: Edkins, Trowton/Troughton
Warwickshire: Bromley, Vickers, Hydon

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Re: Frustrated Sutherland Seeks Sutherlands
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 30 November 06 16:16 GMT (UK) »
Word of caution, the IGI entries with the exception of the male Sutherland birth, are all submitted entries. The data including dates would need verification (not always possible given there doesn't seem to be corresponding OPRs entries!). Also, unlike today, people weren't necessarily exact with their ages, specially in the ages they stated for censuses (2/3 years out wasn't unusual).

Finding Janet, mother of William, DC may help with additional info.

Regards.


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Re: Frustrated Sutherland Seeks Sutherlands
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 30 November 06 17:22 GMT (UK) »
Time for a visit to Register House, methinks. ;)

Thanks for all your help; I'll let you know how I get on. :)
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Re: Frustrated Sutherland Seeks Sutherlands
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 27 February 07 20:01 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ostler,

Sorry I didn't spot this post earlier. I am also related to the Sutherland family that you are searching for  :)

My gggg grandmother Elizabeth Sutherland was Janet Sutherland's sister. Do you descend from Janet? She has another sister and a brother as far as I know, Jane Sutherland who married Thomas Rutherford and John Sutherland who remained unmarried.

I have her death record from SP as follows:

Janet Sutherland cottager widow of Angus Sutherland (crofter and woolen weaver) died 17 Jan 1900 Achnacraig Berriedale Female aged 87yrs Father: John Sutherland Crofter (dec), Mo: Catherine Sutherland (MS Gunn) (dec) debility from age gradual, no regular medical attendant. Informant - John Sutherland (neighbour - present)

And her parents (John Sutherland and Catherine Gunn) census returns if you would like them.

The 1861 census in Badbea is indeed them, and this is them in 1871 and 1881:

1871 census - Badbea, Berriedale, Caithness

Angus Sutherland Head M 67yrs Woolen weaver b. Dunbeath, Caithness
Janet Sutherland Wife M 56yrs b. Badbea, Caithness
Jessie Sutherland Dau U 18yrs Domestic Servant b. Badbea, Caithness
??? Sutherland Serv U 14yrs Domestic Servant b. Dunbeath, Caithness

1881census- Badbea, Latheron, Caithness

Angus Sutherland Head M 76yrs Crofter (formerly wool weaver) b. Dunbeath, Latheron

1881 census for Janet - Strathkinness, St Andrews, Fife, Scotland

Charles ANDERSON Head M 27 M Farmer's son Strathkinness, Fife, Scotland
Janet ANDERSON Wife M 28 F Badbea, Caithness, Scotland
Janet ANDERSON Dau 7 F Scholar Strathkinness, Fife, Scotland
Christina Wilson ANDERSON Dau 5 F Strathkinness, Fife, Scotland
Elspeth Louden ANDERSON Dau 3 F Strathkinness, Fife, Scotland
Charles ANDERSON Son 9 m M Strathkinness, Fife, Scotland
Janet SUTHERLAND M Visitor 68 F Farmer's wife Badbea, Caithness, Scotland

Angus us by himself and Janet is with her daughter Janet Anderson in Fife.

This is the widowed Janet in 1891:

1891 census - Achnacraig, Berriedale, Caithness

Janet Sutherland Head W 78yrs Annuitant b. Latheron, Caithness Gaelic and English Speaking

Hope this helps and I would love to hear from you soon  ;D

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Re: Frustrated Sutherland Seeks Sutherlands
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 28 February 07 11:07 GMT (UK) »
My gggg grandmother Elizabeth Sutherland was Janet Sutherland's sister. Do you descend from Janet?
Thanks for all that, there does seem to be a link there anyway! When you say "Do you descend from Janet", which Janet do you mean? My tree has a ridiculous amount of Janet Sutherlands! ;D

I'm excited now, so I hope to hear from you soon! :D
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Caithness: Sutherland and Gunn (Latheron), Mowat (Olrig, Canisbay)
Fife: Fleming, Harley, Small, Laing, Malcolm
Angus/Forfarshire: Small, Laing (Dundee)
Perthshire: Runciman, Whittet, Paul, Small
Midlothian: Dudgeon, Sanderson (Tranent)

England
Gloucestershire: Edkins, Trowton/Troughton
Warwickshire: Bromley, Vickers, Hydon

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Re: Frustrated Sutherland Seeks Sutherlands
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 28 February 07 17:53 GMT (UK) »
Sorry I meant Janet Sutherland daughter of John Sutherland and Catherine Gunn, ie wife of Angus Sutherland.

I would love to hear how you descend from this couple as I descend from her sister Elizabeth Sutherland, who had an illigitimate son James Rutherford.

I can give you details of Elizabeth, her brother John, sister Jane and parents if you like. Just PM me your e-mail address and I'll send what I can. I am also in contact with a descendant from Jane Sutherland and Thomas Rutherford and I can let her know about you too  ;D

Hope that helps

Jenny
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