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William and Eliza CARTER and family to Victoria in 19thC...
« on: Tuesday 19 December 06 13:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi, Everyone,
I think this is my first post on this particular section, and I'm afraid my known facts about this CARTER family are a bit sketchy.
William and Eliza CARTER had at least 7 children, baptised (3 together in one case) between 1823 and 1830 at St Boltolph's without Aldgate, London.  Certainly by 1870 when William is mentioned in a codicil in his brother Robert's will, he seems to be in Melbourn (sic), Victoria.
I cannot find them in the 1841 Census in England and thereafter, so cannot be more precise about when they may have departed to Australia.
Could some kind person point me in the correct direction to begin to search for them...?
Very best wishes,
Keith



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Re: William and Eliza CARTER and family to Victoria in 19thC...
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 19 December 06 20:44 GMT (UK) »
Hello  there 

and  Welcome


now  this  is a common  name  so  have  they got  middle  names?

also  what about   parents  names?

Quite  of  few  of us  have  indexs  that we  can  look  up  for  you

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Re: William and Eliza CARTER and family to Victoria in 19thC...
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 19 December 06 20:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi Keith

Would help if you post the names of the children & date of birth so we can search for you.

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Re: William and Eliza CARTER and family to Victoria in 19thC...
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 20 December 06 12:18 GMT (UK) »
The mother's maiden name will help with our index searches too.
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Re: William and Eliza CARTER and family to Victoria in 19thC...
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 20 December 06 13:18 GMT (UK) »
Hello Keith

Nice to see you in Australia - everyone likes to visit here  :)   :)

The reason for all the questions is probably twofold

- There is no census data available for Australia (well - very little - most was destroyed)
- Our BDM indexes include a little more than in England - Births contain parent names (In Victoria both given and surnames) as do deaths. Early marriages in Victoria contain birthplace. Families can often be grouped by looking at the birth and/or death places.

In addition, there are not alot of immigration indexes online pre 1840, so it may be easier to initially find your family via the BDM indexes. Having the names of the children and the parents of William and Eliza would help in tracking them down.

BDM information is also grouped by state. Given your timeframe it was very early days for Melbourne & your family may have come via South Australia or NSW.

Christmas greetings  :)   :)

Trish
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Re: William and Eliza CARTER and family to Victoria in 19thC...
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 24 April 07 11:45 BST (UK) »
Jenn, Christine, Sid and Trish,
I really am very sorry that I didn't respond to your prompt replies to my post way back in December.  I didn't, for whatever reason, receive any kind of e-mail in the usual way saying that one of my initiated threads had been responded to.
So here's a bit more information, though it's not a lot to be going on with...
William (b. 7th May 1797, Aldgate, London - parents Robert and Lydia CARTER) and Eliza CARTER, their marriage not yet located, had the following children baptised, according to the I.G.I
A multiple baptism on 9th April 1823 at St Botolph Aldgate of William, Robert, Joseph Tidman (might be mistranscription for Tidmarsh, the grandmother's maiden name), and Mary Ann, all baptised with the CARTER surname.  Cannot tell exactly when each of these siblings were born, obviously.  But a recent visit to Abney Park Cemetery has revealed a William CARTER buried with his grandparents, indicating a birth year of 1819, aged 46 - so presumably, he may never have made the trip to Australia).
There was a second multiple baptism of their children on 3rd Feb 1830:
Eliza, Robert (indicating that the first Robert may have died), Ellen, and Lydia Tidmarsh CARTER.
Of course, not all these children would have survived childhood, or joined them on the journey.
The only facts are that their last children were baptised in London in 1830 and William CARTER the father is mentioned as being in Melbourn (sic) Australia in his brother's 1869 codicil to his will.
Not much to go on, but it's all I've got so far!
Regards, keith
N.B. The other possibility is that William CARTER, b.1797, might have committed a crime and been transported, but I've never heard any family whisper to this effect

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Re: William and Eliza CARTER and family to Victoria in 19thC...
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 24 April 07 13:51 BST (UK) »
Hi Keith
Heres a bit to start with

CARTER, Lydia Tidmarsh   CM 148885      Age:   21   Marriage
   Spouse:   ROOPE, Lavington      Age:   25
   Marriage Date:   14 Mar 1846   
    Reg Year:   1846   Reg State:   Tasmania
   Ref Number:   2313   
FAMILY INFORMATION 

Children: 438689  ROOPE LAVINGTON GEORGE 1847
438684  ROOPE F 1848
438685  ROOPE F 1849
438683  ROOPE F 1850
438693  ROOPE M 1851
438695  ROOPE RAYMOND HAMILTON 1857
438692  ROOPE M 1860
 
ROOPE, Lavington   CD 768423  Death
   Sex:   Male
     Age at Death:   60
    Death Date:   29 Jun 1881
    Reg Year:   1881   Reg State:   Tasmania
   Ref Number:   3197
death
ROOPE, Charles H   CD 768421  Death
         Father:   Lavington
          Mother:   Lydia
      Index Year:   1886
   Reg Year:   1886   Reg State:   New South Wales
   Ref Number:   6802   
ROOPE, Alice   CD 768420  Death
   Sex:   Female
     Age at Death:   11
    Death Date:   08 Jan 1860
    Reg Year:   1860   Reg State:   Tasmania
   Ref Number:   1866   
ROOPE, Julian   CD 768422  Death
         Father:   Lavington
          Mother:   Lydia T
      Index Year:   1882
   Reg Year:   1882   Reg State:   New South Wales
   Ref Number:   5215   
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Marriage: Frances Amy ROOPE 19 Jul 1882, St Johns Church, Newtown, Hobart, Tasmania 1 to Tetley Gant.
daughter of a well-to-do Hobart merchant, whose fine New Town residence, Wendover, was for a time the Gants' family home

Gant died on 7 February 1928 at Lower Sandy Bay. His obituarist in the Mercury described him as 'an ideal English gentleman … He had a fine personal presence, was debonair, affable and courteous in manner, liberally disposed, [and] was highly respected and esteemed by all classes'. He was survived by his daughter, his wife having died in 1926, and was buried in St John's cemetery. His estate was valued for probate at £4876.
Annie

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Re: William and Eliza CARTER and family to Victoria in 19thC...
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 24 April 07 14:02 BST (UK) »
I couldn't find any certain evidence of them in Victoria to 1901.

Christine  :)
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Re: William and Eliza CARTER and family to Victoria in 19thC...
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 24 April 07 14:41 BST (UK) »
Anne Caroline,
Thanks SO much for that spot for this CARTER family.  I was beginning to doubt that they'd actually ever gone to Australia, but certainly Lydia is one of William and Eliza CARTER's children.  I'd half hoped that the (unusual) middle forename might identify at least one of them more easily...
And Christine, thank you very much for searching the 1901 for me.
Now I know that the family must presumably have travelled to Australia some time between about 1830 and 1846 - narrows it down quite a bit.  I expect it might be easier now to find Lydia Tidmarsh CARTER in the immigration/records than the more common William or Eliza forename...
Very best wishes,
keith
And not forgetting to thank you for all that lovely detail on the children of the marriage, and the fascinating extra pieces of biographical detail.   This all looks extremely promising...