Marriage in Bathgate

[wildgoose]

I have a date of marriage 16 8 1886, Bathgate recorded on:
Birth cert. No.165
Margaret McILVANIE.
b.1888, Jul 10th, 6 South Bridge St. Bathgate, WLN.
f.Bernard McILVANIE, coal miner.
m.Elizabeth McILVANIE, ms MONAGHAN.
marr.1886 August 28th, Bathgate.
sign.Bernard McILVANIE, father.
reg.1888, July 30th, Bathgate, Linlithgow, WLN.

I have been unable to find a marriage certificate on SP.
Also unable to find either birth or death cert. of mother Elizabeth Monaghan McILVANEY.
Is there anyone out there researching the McILVANEY & MONAGHAN families who could help?

[MonicaL]

Hi Wildgoose

Like you, I cannot see any marriage entry on SP.

Bernard at least looks to have been born in Antrim, Ireland. There is a likely entry for him and his family in Bathgate in 1881:

Hugh, 50, labourer, b. Antrim, Ireland
Margaret , 52, Antrim, Ireland
Bernard, 25, labourer, b. Antrim, Ireland
James, 20, coal miner, b. Airdrie, Lanark
John, 17, coal miner, b. Bathgate
Hugh, 14, glassworker's assistant, b. Bathgate

Address: 42 North Bridge St, Bathgate

From the children's IGI entries for births in Scotland, the mother's name is showing as Gribben/Grubbin.

Regards.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Wildgoose

Have you found the family in the 1891 Census? Can't easily see an entry for Bernard on the census with lots of ** for the surname.

Regards.

Monica

[wildgoose]

Many thanks.  I haven't got Bernard on 1891.  He died in 1900.

1891 Census recs.
Dwelling: Pender's Row
Census Place: Baillieston, LKS
Betsy Monaghan McILVANIE, head, marr, 31, coal miner's wife, WLN, Linlithgow, Blackburn.
John, son, 7, scholar, WLN, Linlithgow, Bathgate.
Mary, daur., 4, WLN, Linlithgow, Bathgate.
Margaret, daur., 2, WLN, Linlithgow, Bathgate.
Hugh, son, 2 months, LKS, Baillieston.
1901 Census recs.
Dwelling: Buchanan St.
Census Place: Old Monkland, LKS.
Annie Monaghan McILVENEY, head, wid., 40, WLN, Linlithgow, Blackburn.
John, son, unm., 17, coal miner, WLN, Linlithgow, Torphichen.
Hugh, son, 10, scholar, LKS, Baillieston.
Annie, daur., 8, scholar, LKS, Baillieston.
Patrick, son, 3, LKS, Baillieston.

[MonicaL]

From her census returns, this looks like Elizabeth with her family in 1881:

Patrick, head, 46, bricklayers lab., b. Ireland
Mary, wife, 45, b. Ireland
Elizabeth, 21, cotton spinner
Owen, 19, ironstone miner
Maggie, 16, cotton spinner
Mary, 14, cotton spinner
Catherine, 11
Michael, 8
Ann, 6, b. Johnstone, Renfrew
Ellen, 3, b. Johnstone, Renfrew
William, 20, boarder, flax mill worker, b. Paisley, Renfrew
John, 15, boarder, flax mill worker, b. Glasgow, Lanark

Everyone showing as born in Blackburn, Linlithgow unless shown.

Address: 18 Dimity St, Abbey, Renfrew

Monica

[MonicaL]

I think mother's maiden name is CONVEY. IGI entries for children seem to match that mother. Father Patrick comes up as either Patrick or Peter (variant).

Still no sign of Elizabeth....I wonder if she was actually born in Ireland 

Monica

[wildgoose]

As far as I know she was born in Bathgate. I have other information but it won't fir in this message.  I have never been able to tracker her birth down so Irleand is a possibility, however, Ireland as a place of birth isn't mentioned on any of Eliza's census records.

Name:   Patrick MONAGHAN
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Birth:   1837   County Fermanagh, Ireland.
Death:   3 2 1895   Cross Keys Lands, Johnstone, Renfrewshire.1
Occupation:   Miner
Father:   Michael MONAGHAN
Mother:   Margaret MONAGHAN
Marriage:   23 2 1852   Alderstone, Mid Calder, Linlithgow.
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Spouse:   Mary CONVEY
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Birth:   1836   County Sligo, Ireland
Occupation:   Miner's wife.

Children:
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1 F:   Elizabeth MONAGHAN
Birth:   1860   Blackburn, Linlithgow.
Occupation:   Mill worker
Spouse:   Bernard McILVANEY
Marriage:   16 8 1886   Bathgate, Linlithgow
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2 M:   Owen MONAGHAN
Birth:   26 10 1860   Blackburn, Linlithgow.2
Occupation:   Ironstone miner.
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3 F:   Margaret MONAGHAN
Birth:   1866   Blackburn, Linlithgow.
Occupation:   Cotton Spinner
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4 F:   Mary MONAGHAN
Birth:   18 11 1867   Blackburn, Linlithgow.3
Occupation:   Cotton spinner
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5 F:   Catherine MONAGHAN
Birth:   11 2 1870   West Calder, West Lothian4
Occupation:   Corron spinner
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6 M:   Michael MONAGHAN
Birth:   15 6 1872   Blackburn, Linlithgow.5
Occupation:   Boilermaker
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7 F:   Ann MONAGHAN
Birth:   1 12 1874   Johnstone, Renfrewshire.
Occupation:   Reeler
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8 F:   Ellen MONAGHAN
Birth:   1878   Johnstone, Renfrew.
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9 F:   Christina MONAGHAN
Birth:   1882   Johstone, Renfrewshire.

[MonicaL]

  I think the 1861 entry below is the Patrick and Mary from the 1881, with child Owen who shows also in 1881.........but where is Elizabeth?:

Patrick Monaghan 29, lodger, coal miner, lodger, b. Ireland
Mary Monaghan    26, lodger wife, b. Ireland
Owen Monaghan    5 Mo, lodger, b. MacKburn, Linlithgowshire
Betsy Oharro    48, wife, b. Ireland
Mary Oharro    24, b. Ireland
Michael Oharro    63, head, agr. lab. b. Ireland

Address: Cochrane Street, Bathgate, West Lothian

Monica

With Patrick and Mary's marriage in 1852, where are the other children born 1852-60 I wonder. Some early deaths probably, but can't see any sign of Elizabeth in the 1861 index.
   

[wildgoose]

 :DThanks for that.  I can confirm that this is Pat & Mary.

1861 Census recs.
Dwelling: Cochrane St.
Census Place: Bathgate, Linlithgow, WLN.
Lodging with Michael O'HARRO, ag. lab & family,
Patrick MONAGHAN. lodger, marr., 29, coal miner, IRL.
Mary Convey MONAGHAN, wife, marr., 26, IRL.
Owen MONAGHAN, son, 5 months, Linlithgowshire, Bathgate.
1862 Griffith's Primary Valuation recs. both MONAGHAN & CONVEY households in Cleenish Parish, Fermanagh.
1871 Census recs.
Dwelling: 2 Kirkhill
Census Place: West Calder, Edinburgh.
Patrick MONAGHAN, head, marr., 40, miner, IRL, FER.
Mary Convey MONAGHAN, wife, marr., 35, miner's wife, IRL, SLI.
Betsy, daur., 16, unm., cotton mill worker, Linlithgowshire.
Owen, son, 10, Linlithgowshire
Maggie, daur., 5, Linlithgowshire.
Mary, daur., 3, Linlithgowshire.
Catherine, daur., 1, Edinburgh, West Calder.
1881 Census recs.
Dwelling: 18 Dimity St
Census Place: Abbey, Renfrew, Scotland
Patrick MONAGHAN M 46  M Ireland  Rel: Head   Occ: Bricklayers Labourer
Mary MONAGHAN M 45  F Ireland   Rel: Wife
Elizabeth MONAGHAN U 21  F Blackburn, Linlithgow, Scotland   Rel: Daur
Occ: Cotton Spinner
Owen MONAGHAN U 19  M Blackburn, Linlithgow, Scotland   Rel: Son  Occ: Ironstone Miner
Maggie MONAGHAN U 16  F Blackburn, Linlithgow, Scotland   Rel: Daur   Occ: Cotton Spinner
Mary MONAGHAN   14  F Blackburn, Linlithgow, Scotland   Rel: Daur   Occ: Cotton Spinner
Catherine MONAGHAN   11  F Blackburn, Linlithgow, Scotland   Rel: Daur   Occ: Scholar
Michael MONAGHAN   8  M Blackburn, Linlithgow, Scotland   Rel: Son  Occ: Scholar
Ann MONAGHAN   6  F Johnstone, Renfrew, Scotland   Rel: Daur   Occ: Scholar
Ellen MONAGHAN   3  F Johnstone, Renfrew, Scotland    Rel: Daur
John MONAGHAN U 15  M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland   Rel: Boarder  Occ: Flax Mill Worker
William MONAGHAN U 20  M Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland   Rel: Lodger   Occ: Flax Mill Worker.
1891 Census recs.
Dwelling: 18 Dmity St.
Census Place: Johnstone, RFW.
Patrick MONAGHAN, head, marr., 59, general labourer, IRL.
Mary Convey MONAGHAN, wife, marr., 56, IRL.
Mary MONAGHAN, daur., unm., 22, cotton spinner, Linlithgowshire, Blackbridge.
Kate MONAGHAN, daur., unm., 20, cotton spinner, Linlithgowshire, Blackbridge.
Michael MONAGHAN, son., unm., 18, apprentice boilmaker, Linlithgowshire, Blackbridge.
Annie MONAGHAN, daur., unm., 16, reeler?, RFW, Johnstone.
Ellen MONAGHAN, daur., 12, scholar, RFW, Johnstone.
Tina MONAGHAN, daur., 9, scholar, RFW, Johnstone.
Annie MACKIE, boarder, 15, winder flax mill, LKS, Partick.
1901 Census recs.
Dwelling: 28 St James' St.
Census Place: Paisley, RFW
Mary Convey MONAGHAN, head, wid., 60, IRL.
John ABRAHAM, nephew, marr., 20, fire clay worker, RFW, Paisley.
Catherine ABRAHAM, boarder, marr., 22, IRL.
James McMENEMY, boarder, 21, lorryman, IRL.
John McGOWAN, 23, boarder, 23, general labourer, IRL.
Patrick McGOVERN, boarder, 18?, general labourer, IRL.