So what would you do?

[lostnconfused]

My paternal granmother was a lovely woman.

A lying, decitful, lovely woman.

My father, his brother and his sister are all alive and yet none of them have any clear idea as to where, when and to whom their own mother was born.

We have no definitive infomation, other than what is on the marriage cert and even that seems to be iffy, very iffy.

Whilst alive Annie Morris, nee Barnes changed her age a few times, as well as her place of birth; we think. She NEVER spoke about her family, certainly not in clear detail. There was a suggestion that she had a brother, but no one ever met him - or even saw a photo!

So, what would you do?

Where does one start?

We've searched all birth records up to 20 years either side of the 'best guess', and all over the country. We've paid for 15 certs and we have no match as yet. All the obvious targets are now used up.

She was born after the 1901 census, so we seemingly wait for 2011?

I am, like an English cricketer facing Warne, stumped.

 

[Half Pint]

Hi

I really am sorry that I can't help you, but just had to let you know that the cricket joke was terrible, it might be true, but still terrible (LOL)

Take care

Half Pint

[lostnconfused]

Lol,

Any reply is welcome (another cricket reference?)

Andy

[liverpool annie]

OK Andy !

You've told us what you don't know .... so tell us what you do know !! 

What about her marriage certificate ? name of her father ... would lead you to him in census .........

What about your Dad's birth certificate ?... and the certificates of his brothers  - do they all say the same thing ?

Also what part of Lancashire were the family living when your Dad was born ??

What about death certificates .... do you have any ?

What else do you know ? ... was her father in the Armed Forces ? ..... tell us any family stories ..... true or
false ......

Come on Andy ............. you haven't stumped the middle wicket yet !! 

Annie 

[lostnconfused]

Hi,

Thanks for your interest.

All of the birth certs confirm what we know from the marriage cert.

But, ignoring my cataract induced poor vision we cant seem to find a cross ref'

Annie Morris nee Barnes M. 12 Oct 1940, aged 24 - Mancheter - Father James Barnes - Labourer

Husband Ivan Clayton Morris - aged 38 at time of marriage

There is no record of any military service.

Suggested that Annie was born in Rochdale or Radcliffe but no definite answer there.

The address registered is a dead end for the 1901 census, 20 Princess St Moss Side, Manchester (is there any other search we can carry out? )

The family moved to Swinton at the time of my dads birth.

Annie died at Bury General Hospital, 26 June 1992.

Any help of course is welcome.

Andy

[Certificate Man]

What is the date and place of birth on the death certificate ?

Just a thought.

Did she have a passport ? or a driving licence ?  Don't these state a date and place of birth ?

Or a pension/superann.  from a company where she worked.

Good Luck

[Certificate Man]

I checked the d of b from the Death Indexes  9th Sept 1914.  (where did that date come from ?)

By going to the birth indexes, the nearest match is Annie Barnes Stockport Register Dec Q 1914  mothers maiden name Wilson and by using Cheshire BMD you can narrow that down to;

Reddish & Stockport (part).

Stockport and Moss Side aren't that far apart

The downside to this is that John Edward Barnes married Nellie Wilson in Reddish in 1914, so this might be their daughter.  However there's no other Stockport entries on Free B M D yet with a mother's maiden name of Wilson

If she were 24 though at marriage. She should have been born 1915/16

You go on to say that the address at marriage was a dead end. Why should it be ?  Have you checked who was on the electoral roll there in 1939 ?  Manchester Library will do that for you if you e mail them.  Or you can do it yourself by going there.

[lostnconfused]

Seems you done a lot of digging on my behalf, so thanks for that.

There is a lot of inconsistancy with Nana's dates as i suggested on my original post, so im not surprised that datesx arent exact when cross referencing!

Annie had no Driving Licence, Passport or pension, other than state pension - and none of the doc's for that were retained.

The Electoral Role is an interesting idea and i will definitley pursue that avenue, thanks for the suggestion.

Im double checking things as far as the Annie b. in Stockport is concerned, but from memory we discounted her as a non-match.

But we all make mistakes dont we?

Cheers.

Andy and Ange

[lostnconfused]

Just realised thar our Annies' father is James so that sinks that one i think.

Andy