1841/51 lookup please William Davies

[clogdancer]

Could someone please look for William Davies b. 1835/6 Llangynog Carmarthenshire (shown as Slanganob on 1881 census).

[MJP]

Hi clogdancer,

There are a few young William Davies living in Llangynog (Llangunnock) in 1841:

HO107/1382/20/22/13
Placeyeordin(?), Llangunnock
Benjamin Davies, 40, Ag Lab, Y
Anne Davies, 40, Y
John Davies, 5, y
William Davies, 4, Y
David Davies, 10, Y

HO107/1382/20/8/8
Tynervydd(?), Llangunnock
David Davies, 45, Farmer, Y
Mary Davies, 35, Y
William Davies, 9, Y
Thomas Davies, 5, Y

HO107/1382/20/17/3
Pantyrhedin(?), Llangunnock
Esther Davies, 60, Farmer, Y
Esther Davies, 15, Y
William Davies, 10, Y
Mary Howells, 30, Y
Sophia Howells, 7, Y
Catharine Howells, 1, Y

Hope this helps!

MJP

[clogdancer]

Many thanks, but other info I have suggests his father is also William, from Lampeter, and that he had a sister Margaret born 1860/61 in Aberdare.
Is it possible to search using place of Birth rather than place of census?

[MJP]

The 1841 census does not give place of birth - it only indicates whether or not the person was born in the county.  So I searched in Llangynog as it is fairly likely that a person born 1837 would still be in the place of birth (but not guaranteed of course!). 

Let me see if I can see anything in 1851/61.

MJP

[MJP]

Well, not much luck.  I think you will need more info.  What is your source for his father's name and the birth of his sister? It seems a very large gap between his birth in 1837-ish and hers in 1860/1. 

There are 2 William Davies born in Llangunnock in 1851 - 1 age 12, only son of widow Mary; and the son of Benjamin and Anne who I found on the 1841. 

There are about 15 Margaret Davies born in Aberdare 1859-61 in the 1861 census, several with father William, but none that look old enough to also be the father of 1838 William. 

I notice on the 1881 that he is single - I was looking for a wife's name to search as well, but I see that is not going to help. 

MJP

[clogdancer]

Hmmm.
This goes back to my G Grandmother Maria Davies.
Her marriage cert 1886 shows her living in Eckington Derbysire, and her father as William Davies, coal miner.
The 1881 census shows the family in Stavely Derbyshire:
Maria Davies age 16 b. Aberdare
William Davis age 45 b. Slanganob (sic) Miner
Also several brothers & sisters who my father remembers by their names as Great Aunts
My father says Maria had a cousin called Henry Davicott who lived in same village.
I found a Howell Henry Derricott, son of Joel Darricott and Margaret Davies  in One World Tree s on Ancestry .com
The 1901 census shows them in Staveley, although the middle name Henry is absent.
I've been in contact with  a descendent of Joel who states that Margaret's father was William Davies born  in Lampeter.
Sorry its so complicated!
Hope you can give me some more pointers.

[clogdancer]

Forgot to add - William (jnr) was shown married to a Jennet  in 1881 census aged 43 (also born Aberdare)
The children were:
Agnes (1) B Saveley
Jennet (5) Stavely
William ( Bolsover
Daniel (11) Treherbert Glam
Howell (13) Aberdare
Maria ( G Gmother) (16)
Mary (18)

Thanks

[welsh lady]

Clogdancer the 1871 census gives a different birth place for William see below
1871 Seymour no54 Staveley,Derbyshire
RG10 Piece 3620 Folio 46 Page 13
William Davies,Head,35,Miner,Llanelly,Carmarthenshire
Jennette Davies,Wife,34,Aberdare,Glamorgan
Margaret Davies,10,Aberdare
Mary Davies,Dau,8,Aberdare
Maria Gwen? Davies,Dau,6,Aberdare
Howell John Davies,Son,4,Aberdare
Daniel Davies,Son,Rhondda Glamorgan

Best Wishes Welsh Lady

Will try to find them in 1861 see where he says he was born and look for the marriage sending for the cert will confirm his Fathers name.
Best Wishes Welsh Lady

[welsh lady]

And here they are in 1861 again says birthplace Llanelly
57 Wayne? Street,Aberdare,Glamorgan
William Davies,Head,24,Miner,Llanelly,Carmarthenshire
Jennett Davies,Wife,24,Brecon Breconshire
Margaret Davies,Dau,6m,Aberdare,Glamorgan
William Griffiths,Boarder,21,Lab in Coal Mine,Aberdare.


Margaret Davies Wife of Joel was Williams daughter not sister.
Best Wishes Welsh Lady