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Access to local newspapers please for a death at sea
« on: Sunday 11 February 07 17:12 GMT (UK) »
I have a Daniel Smith (sometimes transcribed as David or Donald) who was a Master Mariner and verbal family history says he died at sea.  I know he was alive until 1881 and died between then and 1883 as he is described on one childs marriage certificate as being alive and on the second as deceased.  I cannot find a record of his death in the records at the National Archives and am hoping that some kind person will be able to access the local newspapers for this period.  Daniel was born at Dunnet in 1835 - but the birth was not registered (as stated on his marriage certificate).  He married Cecilia Calder in 1855 and they lived at Dunnet, Thurso and Castletown.  Can anyone help locate any item in the local newspapers of this time?  I am presuming that there will be some record of his death as he was a Master Mariner?
Thanks in anticipation
Kathb
Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Baker/Cheshire,Crewe/Somerset
Davies/Calvert/Cheshire, Birkenhead/Yorkshire, Bowes
Fitzsimmons/Cheshire, Birkenhead/Lancashire, Liverpool/Ireland
Lewis/Cheshire,Spurstow, Bunbury, Little Budworth, Helsby/Birkenhead
Mackay/Mckay Caithness
Anderson/, Caithness
Dunnet, Caithness
Mowat/ Caithness
Gunn/ Caithness
Smith/Caithness, Dunnet, Thurso, Castletown
Rosie/Caithness, Thurso
Sadlier Forster/Liverpool/Ireland, Cork

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Re: Access to local newspapers please for a death at sea
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 13 February 07 20:14 GMT (UK) »
Kath

If they lived in Scotland (Caithness) would Scotlandspeople be a better source, either via census or death certificate.

I assume this (below) was Daniel in 1861 in Shore street.


Piece: SCT1861/41 Place: Thurso -Caithness Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Thurso Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 0 Page: 8 Schedule: 46
Address: Shore Street

 

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    Surname   First name(s)   Rel   Status   Sex   Age   Occupation   Where Born   Remarks   
    SMITH   Daniel   Head   M   M   26   Sailor    Caithness - Thurso       
    SMITH   Cecelia   Wife   M   F   25   Sailor's Wife    Caithness - Thurso     
Caithness: Allan, Farquhar and Bremner.
Lincolnshire:Richardson
Invernesshire/Rosshire Mcleans

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Re: Access to local newspapers please for a death at sea
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 14 February 07 18:10 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Jimjaqu,  I have Daniel on the Census data and his birth, marriage and childrens births and marriages via Scotlands People.  What I cannot find is his death on Scotlands People or in the National Archives deaths at sea.  I felt my only hope was that it would be reported in a local newspaper.  Thanks for trying
Kathb
Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Baker/Cheshire,Crewe/Somerset
Davies/Calvert/Cheshire, Birkenhead/Yorkshire, Bowes
Fitzsimmons/Cheshire, Birkenhead/Lancashire, Liverpool/Ireland
Lewis/Cheshire,Spurstow, Bunbury, Little Budworth, Helsby/Birkenhead
Mackay/Mckay Caithness
Anderson/, Caithness
Dunnet, Caithness
Mowat/ Caithness
Gunn/ Caithness
Smith/Caithness, Dunnet, Thurso, Castletown
Rosie/Caithness, Thurso
Sadlier Forster/Liverpool/Ireland, Cork

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Re: Access to local newspapers please for a death at sea
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 15 February 07 19:51 GMT (UK) »
Kathb

There are microfiches of the John O Groat Journal held at the local libraries in Thurso and Wick bit not an index as such. It would be like a needle in a haystack without a more accurate date. I could have a look a little around the years you refer to when I visit the local library next, can't promise anything though. Have you tried this on the Caithness family history website guest book and the caithness.org.uk genealogy forum, it might spring something.

Caithness: Allan, Farquhar and Bremner.
Lincolnshire:Richardson
Invernesshire/Rosshire Mcleans

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Re: Access to local newspapers please for a death at sea
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 15 February 07 20:53 GMT (UK) »
Jimjaqu, thanks for this.  I am a member of the CFHS but I live in Cheshire and its a bit of a trip when you work full time.  If you are able to look next time you go to the library, I would really appreciate this.
I am hoping that there will be an entry in the John 'O'Groats Journal re: Daniels death at sea. 
Thank you so much for getting back to me.
Kathb
Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Baker/Cheshire,Crewe/Somerset
Davies/Calvert/Cheshire, Birkenhead/Yorkshire, Bowes
Fitzsimmons/Cheshire, Birkenhead/Lancashire, Liverpool/Ireland
Lewis/Cheshire,Spurstow, Bunbury, Little Budworth, Helsby/Birkenhead
Mackay/Mckay Caithness
Anderson/, Caithness
Dunnet, Caithness
Mowat/ Caithness
Gunn/ Caithness
Smith/Caithness, Dunnet, Thurso, Castletown
Rosie/Caithness, Thurso
Sadlier Forster/Liverpool/Ireland, Cork

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Re: Access to local newspapers please for a death at sea
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 15 February 07 22:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi kathb

This is a very good link:

http://www.ambaile.org.uk/newspapers/index.jsp
Mackay,Manson,Morrison - Tongue,Skerray,Farr
Morrison,Mackay,Falconer,MacAskill- Eddrachillis
Bain,Henderson,Levack,Gunn,Sinclair - Caithness
Hourston,Spence,Whitelaw,Banks,Brown,Wylie,Louttit,Drever - Orkney
and a few more - Revolta,Jobson,Spendlove

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Re: Access to local newspapers please for a death at sea
« Reply #6 on: Friday 16 February 07 20:39 GMT (UK) »
airdlass, thank you for this link.  Unfortunately I cannot find anything relating to Daniel- looks like it is back to the drawing board again.  I much appreciate your help.
Regards
Kathb
Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Baker/Cheshire,Crewe/Somerset
Davies/Calvert/Cheshire, Birkenhead/Yorkshire, Bowes
Fitzsimmons/Cheshire, Birkenhead/Lancashire, Liverpool/Ireland
Lewis/Cheshire,Spurstow, Bunbury, Little Budworth, Helsby/Birkenhead
Mackay/Mckay Caithness
Anderson/, Caithness
Dunnet, Caithness
Mowat/ Caithness
Gunn/ Caithness
Smith/Caithness, Dunnet, Thurso, Castletown
Rosie/Caithness, Thurso
Sadlier Forster/Liverpool/Ireland, Cork

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Re: Access to local newspapers please for a death at sea
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 20 February 07 00:17 GMT (UK) »
Hi Kathb
I have some info of this family that should interest you.

In the Wick archive is a small book that was kept by the parish officer in charge of out relief and Cecilia is mentioned.

27 Feb 1873 Cecilia Calder or Smith, Castletown, Olrig. Pauper deserted by husband, a sailor, not known where he is.

I think Cecilia dies soon after this and her eldest girl keeps house for her brother while two younger children go to live with grandparents who are in good circumstances.



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Re: Access to local newspapers please for a death at sea
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 20 February 07 17:51 GMT (UK) »
Wred, thank you so very much, you have solved the mystery as to why I couldn't find his death at sea.  There are good guys and bad guys in all families and Daniel seems to be in the later category.  We all have skeletons in the closet somewhere in our family trees.  The other point of interest is that on one of his offsprings marriage certificate of 8th June 1882 it states father Mariner, Merchant Service (no mention of him being deceased) and then on the marriage certificate of his eldest son of 31st October 1883 it states both of the parents deceased.  I wonder if they just assumed he had died???
Another mystery to solve.! I am going to go to the Archives in Wick when I am on holiday there in July.  You have really saved me so much time. If you can think of any other way of solving this mystery I would very much appreciate your comment. Thank you once again.
Kathb
Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Baker/Cheshire,Crewe/Somerset
Davies/Calvert/Cheshire, Birkenhead/Yorkshire, Bowes
Fitzsimmons/Cheshire, Birkenhead/Lancashire, Liverpool/Ireland
Lewis/Cheshire,Spurstow, Bunbury, Little Budworth, Helsby/Birkenhead
Mackay/Mckay Caithness
Anderson/, Caithness
Dunnet, Caithness
Mowat/ Caithness
Gunn/ Caithness
Smith/Caithness, Dunnet, Thurso, Castletown
Rosie/Caithness, Thurso
Sadlier Forster/Liverpool/Ireland, Cork