Salathiel family, Glamorgan

[SCH2]

If anyone could find any information on the Salathiel family I would be very grateful.
My grandfather was Trevor Snell Salathiel on 1901 census, born 1898 Glamorgan and he had a sister Gwyneth. I think their father must have been David Thomas Salathiel, married to Mary Snell at Twyn C M Chapel, Caerphilly on 28/5/1895 - my mother has an engraved silver teapot! Unfortunately I don't know where Twyn is!
Many thanks in anticipation.
Sue

[tabitha]

Hi Sue,

I'm sorry but I don't have access to any census info that might help you however I have found the GRO record for the birth of Trevor Snell Salathiel - Quarter Mar 1899, District - Pontypridd, Volume - 11a, Page - 496.

Also the marriage of David Thomas Salathiel & Mary Snell - Quarter Jun 1895, District - Pontypridd, Volume - 11a, Page - 750.

Haven't found a place called Twyn yet but I think the C.M. engraved on your Mum's teapot may stand for Calvinistic Methodists.

Hope that helps a little bit!

tabitha

[Welsh Jen]

Hello I searched for David in the 1881 census there is one match for his name (too old to be yours):

   Dwelling:   Lower Village
   Census Place:   Whitchurch, Glamorgan, Wales
   Source:   FHL Film 1342268     PRO Ref RG11    Piece 5275    Folio 126    Page 2
   Marr   Age   Sex   Birthplace
David SALATHIEL   M   29    M   Whitchurch, Glamorgan, Wales
   Rel:   Head
   Occ:   Smith Striker
Selina SALATHIEL   M   34    F   Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales
   Rel:   Wife
Daniel SALATHIEL       7    M   Whitchurch, Glamorgan, Wales
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Scholar
George SALATHIEL       3    M   Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Scholar
Maria SALATHIEL       7 m   F   Whitchurch, Glamorgan, Wales
   Rel:   Daur
Henry EVANS   U   60    M   Whitchurch, Glamorgan, Wales
   Rel:   Boarder
   Occ:   General Labourer

The only Salathiel with links to Caerphilly is this one:
   Dwelling:   Lower Village
   Census Place:   Whitchurch, Glamorgan, Wales
   Source:   FHL Film 1342268     PRO Ref RG11    Piece 5275    Folio 127    Page 3
   Marr   Age   Sex   Birthplace
Daniel SALATHIEL   M   63    M   Caerphilly, Glamorgan, Wales
   Rel:   Head
   Occ:   Boot & Shoemaker

There are 72 matches to the surname in the 1881 census.

Going onto Mary Snell, there are 9 matches to the name in the 1881 census:

SNELL, Mary   Wife   <1837>   Birth:   Devo   
   Census:   Monm   Bedwellty
SNELL, Mary   Wife   <1842>   Birth:   Monm   Ponthir Llangattock
   Census:   Monm   Llangattock
SNELL, Mary Jane   Wife   <1844>   Birth:   Lond   London
   Census:   Monm   Aberystruth
SNELL, Mary M.   Wife   <1849>   Birth:   Berk   Kinterbury
   Census:   Glam   Swansea Town
SNELL, Mary   Wife   <1855>   Birth:   Pemb   Fishguard
   Census:   Glam   Swansea Town
SNELL, Mary Jane   Rel   <1863>   Birth:   Monm   Abercarne
   Census:   Monm   Mynyddyslwyn
SNELL, Mary   Dau   <1868>   Birth:   Monm   Christchurch
   Census:   Monm   Christchurch
SNELL, Mary   Dau   <1869>   Birth:   Monm   Llanvrechva Lower
   Census:   Monm   Lower Llanvrechva
SNELL, Mary   Dau   <1870>   Birth:   Glam   Gelygaer
   Census:   Glam   Eglwysilan

As for Twyn C.M Chapel. This may help you:
QUOTE: "Tuesday, December 6.
Notwithstanding the rain and the knowledge that the chapels were far too small to accommodate any great numbers, the crowds who came to Caerphilly to bear and see, or try to hear and see, Mr. Evan Roberts to-day were just as large as they were on the previous day. The sights in the open-air were not so manifest to the casual observer, perhaps, because, instead of being brought together into the square near the Twyn Chapel. the people were scattered about, the meetings being held in various chapels at the other end of the town, and there was, fortunately, some uncertainty as to where the missioner would speak, or whether he would deliver addresses at more than one place of worship.

http://www.sendrevival.com/history/welsh_revival/religous_revival/chapter_22.htm

Hope some of this helps you in your search 

[SCH2]

Thanks for the info so far folks, especially about the church.
Pontypridd would appear the place to check further.
The Mary Snell born in  Glam   Eglwysilan would be the one-mother recognised it!!!!
Perhaps that might help with other links. Are Pontypridd and Eglwysilan in the same area?
Sue

[tabitha]

This is the registration district of Pontypridd on http://www.fhsc.org.uk/genuki/REG/gla.htm#pont


Pontypridd
Created 18th July 1863 (out of Cardiff and Merthyr Tydfil districts).
Sub-districts : Eglwysilan; Llanwonno; Llantrisaint; Pontypridd; Rhondda; Ystradyfodwg.
GRO volumes : XXVI (1837-51); 11a (1852-1930).
Eglwysilan, Llanfabon, Llantrisaint, Llantwitvairdre, Llanwonno, Ystradyfodwg.
Registers now in Pontypridd district.

Hope this helps!!
Good luck
tabitha 

[SCH2]

Thanks Tabitha,
At least I know everything is in the same area and it should help with further searches (I hope).
There were apparantly some links with Lloyd George-I think David Thomas Salathiel worked for him.  Also, his father may have owned a colliery, but that might have been exaggerated with telling over the generations!!
Really grateful for all the help and advice.
Sue

[Welsh Jen]

The Mary Snell born in  Glam   Eglwysilan would be the one-mother recognised it!!!!
Perhaps that might help with other links. Are Pontypridd and Eglwysilan in the same area?
Sue

Does the full entry help you further?:

   Dwelling:   Station Ter
   Census Place:   Eglwysilan, Glamorgan, Wales
   Source:   FHL Film 1342274     PRO Ref RG11    Piece 5293    Folio 14    Page 28
   Marr   Age   Sex   Birthplace
William SNELL   M   47    M   Caerleon, Monmouth, England
   Rel:   Head
   Occ:   Pesway Railway Inspector
Ann SNELL   M   46    F   Eglwysilan, Glamorgan, Wales
   Rel:   Wife
John SNELL   U   21    M   Llanfabon, Glamorgan, Wales
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Railway Station Master
Henry SNELL   U   19    M   Llanfabon, Glamorgan, Wales
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Railway Plate Layer
Thomas SNELL       14    M   Llanfabon, Glamorgan, Wales
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Scholar
Mary SNELL       11    F   Gelygaer, Glamorgan, Wales
   Rel:   Daur
   Occ:   Scholar
David C. SNELL       5    M   Gellygaer, Glamorgan, Wales
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Scholar
Mary F. BOWEN   U   18    F   Llantrisant, Glamorgan, Wales
   Rel:   Serv
   Occ:   General Serv


I have gone through the earlier census returns (1841 & 51) and I cannot see anything that fits in with this family so the Snell family possibly came to the Glamorgan region between 1851 - 1861.

This entry seems to fit the names William and Ann Snell.
Glamorgan Family History Society 1861 Census CD
4046 1861 CENSUS, REF.R.G.9/4046, E.D.10. GLYNRHYMNEY.                                                                        Piece: 4046      Folio: 070     Schedule: 124

Address: TY CWM                 

SNELL WILLIAM              HD M  27   LABOURER                 
                                      MON CHRISTCHURCH                 (c1834)
SNELL ANN                  WI M  27   LABOURER'S WIFE           
                                      GLA LLANFABON                    (c1834)
SNELL JOHN                 SO -   1   -                         
                                      GLA LLANFABON                    (c1860)

[SCH2]

 :)Thanks for the time you've spent on this, Jen.
I need to go through all this new info carefully - after a good night's sleep!!
Sue