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Re: Sheffield couple - where are they? Please help!
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 22 March 07 22:54 GMT (UK) »
Thanks very much Tuppie,

Imagine losing your husband just four years after you got married and then losing your baby daughter within months too. Life was certainly tough for our ancestors. Sheffield life spans certainly seem shorter than my country relatives.

Do you happen to know where Fulwood Christ Church is, whether its still there and is it a catholic church?

Thank you

Michelle  :)
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BINGHAM:Sheffield/Shireoaks
WATSON:Foxton,Leics
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MARSH:Sheffield
KEMBLE:Godalming/Leicester
GLEDHILL:Bolton,Lancs/Worsop,Notts
PEBERDY:Saddington/Foxton/Gumley, Leics
HORTON:Saddington/Foxton,Leics
DANN:Foxton/Cosby/Leics
HARRITY:Sheffield
COLDERLEY:Bolton,Lancs
JONES:ChurchGresley/Smisby,Derby's/Worksop,Notts
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Re: Sheffield couple - where are they? Please help!
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 22 March 07 23:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi.

Fulwood Christ Church is Anglican

I also found Albert Lucas PINDAR(sic) in the 1861 census. He is an apprentice to Christopher Smith at 28 Regent St Sheffield and was born Crabtree which would possibly come under Dore/Totley in Derbyshire.RG9/3477 folio 110 page 9
For Christ Church see http://www.fulwoodchurch.co.uk/directions.html
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Re: Sheffield couple - where are they? Please help!
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 22 March 07 23:48 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Tuppie

You're a star! 8)

You also found Albert with PINDAR spelt with an "A" instead of an "E". When you say, "...was born Crabtree", is that a name or a place?

Thank you very much it means so much to have your help and to put the jigsaw pieces into place (at least some of them).

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JOHNSON:Whetstone,Leics
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HORTON:Saddington/Foxton,Leics
DANN:Foxton/Cosby/Leics
HARRITY:Sheffield
COLDERLEY:Bolton,Lancs
JONES:ChurchGresley/Smisby,Derby's/Worksop,Notts
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Re: Sheffield couple - where are they? Please help!
« Reply #30 on: Thursday 22 March 07 23:55 GMT (UK) »
Concerning that grave in Walkley Cemetery... there are 6 burials listed - not an unusual number. It's perhaps less common to have so many names represented when the grave is not a public one. (t is aways possible that errors creep in with either the original record keeping or the transcription, leading to people being assigned to the wrong grave.)

If this is your Ellen, I wonder where Austin is buried? Do you know when he died? Do you know about these burials?:

Parish of St Philip’s, Sheffield (burials in Wardsend Cemetery)
BINI Agnes 4 Aug 1878 Canning St 2+
BINI Teresa 4 Aug 1878 Canning St 4
BINI Edith 8 Sep 1891 Channing St 11m
BINI Jessie 3 Dec 1892 3 Canning St 7m
All listed as daughters of Austin

Like Walkley this is an Anglican Church Cemetery (with Protestant non-conformists also buried there)

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Re: Sheffield couple - where are they? Please help!
« Reply #31 on: Friday 23 March 07 00:16 GMT (UK) »
I found an Austin in White's 1911 Directory (online at http://www.historicaldirectories.org).

38 Nettleham Road
BINI Austin  (j) mason [=journeyman]

There is also:
16 Rushdale Road
BINI Frederick car conductor

These addresses are in the Heeley/Woodseats/Norton area not far from Tillotson Road, the address in Ellen's burial entry. This is also the area where Angelo BINI lived according to other directory entries I have seen.

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Re: Sheffield couple - where are they? Please help!
« Reply #32 on: Friday 23 March 07 00:31 GMT (UK) »
Sorry Hugh, what's Walkley? Is that the protestant side of Rivelin Valley Cemetery?

My goodness all those little girls were Austin and Ellen's daughters? I never knew. Edith was the twin of my dad's great Aunt, Blanche. They were born in Holborn in London.
Agnes was born Ecclesall Bierlow1876, There was also a Clara Eveleen BINI she died aged 5-years, I'm not sure who's daughter she was. Austin had an elder brother, Angelo George b.1844 in Wolverhampton (again many misspellings of his name inc. Angels and Angela BINN)

Teresa and Agnes appear to have died together. How tragic. My children are so precious it makes me wonder what those poor parents went through.

Do you know what "non-conformists) means? Austin and Ellen were married in a Catholic Chapel in Nottingham. I wonder what could've made them fall out with their church?  Mind you I imagine losing so many children would shake your faith somewhat.

Thank you again.

Michelle xx

Just got your next post. How on earth do you find all this stuff? It's beyond my expectations!!!

Frederick is my G-grandad. I have his medals and photo's of him from the Boer War and WW1.

Do you know what a "car conducter" is (is it waving a red flag in front of car)? My grandad (Fred's son) always said he was born in Norton.

I've never found a record of Austin's death (mind you after what you've found in such a relatively short time - no surprises there ::)). I've never found a record of Fred's death either. We know the family lived at Shireoaks and dad and I have walked around the cemetry there and found nothing for him or his wife Florence Charlotte BINI (nee BINGHAM).

I couldn't find anything for Fred on the 1901 census (when I had 3-free days last month) Maybe he was away fighting in S.Africa?

So now we know Austin was still alive in 1911 and I know Fred was still alive in 1927 because my G.Uncle met him and Florence then when he began courting my G-Aunt, buit that's it.

Re; Austin what does the (J) mean and what's a journeyman?

Thanks lots.

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PINDER:Sheffield
KENNY:IRL,Dublin,ENG,Lancs,S.KENNY m BINI 
BINGHAM:Sheffield/Shireoaks
WATSON:Foxton,Leics
WORMLEIGHTON:Enderby,Leics
MARSH:Sheffield
KEMBLE:Godalming/Leicester
GLEDHILL:Bolton,Lancs/Worsop,Notts
PEBERDY:Saddington/Foxton/Gumley, Leics
HORTON:Saddington/Foxton,Leics
DANN:Foxton/Cosby/Leics
HARRITY:Sheffield
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Re: Sheffield couple - where are they? Please help!
« Reply #33 on: Friday 23 March 07 01:24 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, I mentioned St Mary's before...this is the church cemetery for the parish of St Mary's, Walkley.

Although the cemeteries are adjacent they are completely separate entities. St Michael's was opened in the 1860's while St Mary's was not opened until 1880. There is also a small Jewish Cemetery in the angle between them which was also opened in 1880. There is no access to the protestant cemetery on Rivelin Valley Road as there is for St Michael's.

'Non-conformist' refers to protestants who do not 'conform' to the established church (that is, the Church of England). So that will include Methodists, Baptists, Congregationalists etc.

I think a  car conductor must mean a tram conductor (collecting fares and issuing tickets).

Finally, this must be the GRO reference for Austin's death:

GRO Deaths MAR Qtr 1927 [from the original image at Ancestry.co.uk]
BINI Austin 76
Sheffield 9c 831

and, while I'm at it the same for Ellen:

GRO Deaths MAR Qtr 1923 [from the original image at Ancestry.co.uk]
BINI Ellen 70
Ecclesall B. 9c 474

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Re: Sheffield couple - where are they? Please help!
« Reply #34 on: Friday 23 March 07 01:34 GMT (UK) »
and finally final...

GRO Deaths MAR Qtr 1931
BINI Frederick A. 50
Worksop 7b 44

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Re: Sheffield couple - where are they? Please help!
« Reply #35 on: Friday 23 March 07 01:56 GMT (UK) »
Oh Hugh,

Thanks for all that information. My dad will be pleased too. We're hoping to visit the cemetries soon. Dad always travels by train, but I'll have to come by car. Do you know if there's easy access for parking etc?

Goodness, so Fred ended up in Worksop (or would Shireoaks be classed as Worksop?) I don't want to take advantage of your generosity, but I don't suppose you could find Florence Charlotte BINI's (Fred's wife) death could you? And...again I don't wish to take the mickey, but is there a way I could find out where they're buried, so we can take flowers? :-\

Once again many many thanks.

Michelle  :) 
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JOHNSON:Whetstone,Leics
PINDER:Sheffield
KENNY:IRL,Dublin,ENG,Lancs,S.KENNY m BINI 
BINGHAM:Sheffield/Shireoaks
WATSON:Foxton,Leics
WORMLEIGHTON:Enderby,Leics
MARSH:Sheffield
KEMBLE:Godalming/Leicester
GLEDHILL:Bolton,Lancs/Worsop,Notts
PEBERDY:Saddington/Foxton/Gumley, Leics
HORTON:Saddington/Foxton,Leics
DANN:Foxton/Cosby/Leics
HARRITY:Sheffield
COLDERLEY:Bolton,Lancs
JONES:ChurchGresley/Smisby,Derby's/Worksop,Notts
JEACOCK: LEI/Blaby